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  1. #121
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    StarRosie's Avatar
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    Sakya Malha
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    That's not at all what I mean. Rather, I think a lot of players only need to find the gameplay "enjoyable" without fussing over the minutiae of skill potencies and gauge management and optimal rotations. They may be content as long as skills are satisfying to use and the boss fight has cool mechanics.
    I mean...yeah, a game should feel enjoyable to just play. Overall I believe I get what you mean. But please correct me if I'm wrong here. It's a hard balance to find between base enjoyability and optimized enjoyability. If you lean too far into jobs being incredibly punishing if you don't obsess over being as optimally optimal at all times...you will see a player shift towards the easier jobs (Or just straight up quit.) But lean too far away and you get...sorta where we are now. Some jobs feel weird to play right now (Hello Astro, my beloved.), others just feel like confused messes (Hello Dark Knight.), and others just need a serious look at (Hello Dancer.) And for this next part, I'm going to preface that I do want jobs to gain some level of high complexity again. I do want jobs to make those who work to optimize their job to feel rewarded for it. I mostly play BLM when I DPS for a reason. Cause BLM requires a level of fight knowledge and positioning to get the most out of it. I feel punished when I mess up, and that's fine. But I don't feel overly punished if Enochian drops in the middle of a mechanics dance because I'm trying not to die and blank on using transpose or umbral soul. And that's also fine.

    Jobs should aim to be enjoyable to play, even when not played optimally. Some folks do not want to run at 100% efficiency, full throttle, all pistons running, at all times. Sometimes, people just want to jog instead of sprint. Does this mean all jobs need to be really watered down? No. Does this mean we need to jack all jobs up to the level of "If you don't hit your positional, you don't get your combo." again? Also no. Again, it's a hard balance to find. I wish they would bring positionals back to a lot of melee job GCDs and make them enough of a damage increase that those who want to optimize all the time...CAN and feel rewarded for it. But not so much that they feel required by everyone 100% of the time. That'd be a decent place to start I think. But, I also think the job should allow the player to play it fine, even if not hitting every positional, or doing perfect gauge management, or perfect ability usage. And keep in mind, I'm talking in terms of more casual to midcore stuff. Savage or Ultimate should still demand 100%. Personally, if I picked up a job, I practiced and practiced to play it at least competently, maybe not 100% optimized but I can play something like BRD or RDM well enough to know that I'm not dragging folks down. But a job should aim to be fun first and then build to allow those who find optimizing said job to be fun, to have THEIR fun. But ultimately allow everyone to enjoy it. Is that a tall order...? Maybe? But we gotta hit somewhere around that ballpark I feel. Cause right now...things are weird.
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    Last edited by StarRosie; 01-05-2024 at 04:45 AM.

  2. #122
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarRosie View Post
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    My point is though, even if there is room for improvement, is it at the front of your mind whenever you play? Is it the number one thing you want to launch into when you have a fleeting chance to say one thing to Yoshida?

    And even if it is at the front of your mind, is it at the front of enough other people's minds that it should be expected that the question will get asked at an impromptu event like this?
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  3. #123
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    Sakya Malha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    My point is though, even if there is room for improvement, is it at the front of your mind whenever you play? Is it the number one thing you want to launch into when you have a fleeting chance to say one thing to Yoshida?

    And even if it is at the front of your mind, is it at the front of enough other people's minds that it should be expected that the question will get asked at an impromptu event like this?
    Aha, ok. Yeah, I get you. No, the average player is not gonna be thinking about that stuff in that situation. But I think that's kinda understandable why, but also kinda...deflating. Personally speaking....I wouldn't. Getting some armor sets I like to be dyeable would be at the front of my mind there. (Woad, Warg, Yaefimi Casting, list goes on.) Cause I love me some fashion. I think if folks got 3 questions to ask each, you might see more asking about this stuff. But that's also deflating because you'd need multiple chances to get that to pop into someone's head.
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    Last edited by StarRosie; 01-05-2024 at 05:15 AM.

  4. #124
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    My point is though, even if there is room for improvement, is it at the front of your mind whenever you play? Is it the number one thing you want to launch into when you have a fleeting chance to say one thing to Yoshida?

    And even if it is at the front of your mind, is it at the front of enough other people's minds that it should be expected that the question will get asked at an impromptu event like this?
    It would be at the forefront for me, because it is by far my biggest issue with the game. It isn't the glamour system, the plates, the clunky menus for every little thing, the fact that my "bank" is split between 5 retainers that I need to access separately, the 100 different currencies that all take up inventory space.
    Playing my job is a majority of what I do in this game, be it in basic roulette content, 24man, trials, extremes, savage or ultimate, and if that gameplay is lackluster, which I think it absolutely is, then I am simply not enjoying a majority of this game's content.

    Right now it feels like there is barely any difference between playing my job well and just mashing buttons. It feels like no matter what content I'm doing I'm just going through the motions, motions I've learned 6 years ago and which have only become more mindless since.

    It's why I can't even get any enjoyment out of savage anymore, the core gameplay is not fun to me and no amount of mechanics spam is going to fix that.


    I've started a new playthrough of Monster Hunter: World recently after not touching it for like 2 years and while you can't exactly compare action combat to tab target hotbar combat it is such a breath of fresh air to play a game where improving at your "job" makes a tangible difference, not just in how fast you finish a fight but also in how different your gameplay becomes.
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  5. #125
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    sindriiisgaming's Avatar
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    Sugar And'spice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aword3213 View Post
    There's none. There wasn't any before. There won't be any in the future.

    The exploratory zones in 7.0 will be as boring and uninteresting as people used to complain about Eureka and Bojza.

    The combat will still be as boring and janky as people complained back in ShB and before

    Final Fantasy XIV is claimed to be in maintance mode as soon as its first release.

    The dev never listen and they will never be. Every discussion here is for the entertainment for community reps during their lunch break

    There's absolutely no reason to remain subbed. Anyone who keeps subbing and leaving feedback despite knowing thsese is in deep copium.
    Eh I'm gona disagree there there has in the past been quality content. Shb and ew msq were fabulous. I enjoyed the shb role quests. I enjoyed the glam in shb and eureka is fun after pagos. I'm a ba dweller so- . I also thought Ishgard resto was enjoyable. I liked the ew omicron beast quests. I enjoyed bozja just not drs. And blundervil was fun before winding up well a blunder. Also found island ������ fun before the updates ruined it. Also they have listened. Ppl wanted more plates they got em. Wanted more glam they got em. Pvp reform , harder dungeons, a dual wielding job that isn't ninja, summoner rework. Have they done these right? No. But they did listen
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    Last edited by sindriiisgaming; 01-05-2024 at 09:00 PM.
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    your titanmen, hes titanmen IM TITANMEN are there anymore titanmens i should know about?

  6. #126
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    "Please wait patiently," he said to the people waiting patiently for five years
    lol, lmao
    being a viera or a hrothgar must be really hard. I wonder if female hrothgar will release without hats too.
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    I don't get it. Do you really have nothing better to do with your life than creating shitpost after shitpost?
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    Genshin Impact a free to play mobile gatcha game puts out events every 40 days that are fully voiced and an engaging story. FF which is a subscription game with a full price tag does like 5 events a year and still can't put 10% of the effort. Something is wrong.
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    Let's consider another theoretical mod: one that displays your character entirely naked.

  7. #127
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    "Please wait patiently," he said to the people waiting patiently for five years
    lol, lmao
    being a viera or a hrothgar must be really hard. I wonder if female hrothgar will release without hats too.
    I wonder if it even will release
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    your titanmen, hes titanmen IM TITANMEN are there anymore titanmens i should know about?

  8. #128
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    Autechre Voidmoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    I wonder if it even will release
    7.5.5 release patch
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  10. #129
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    "Please wait patiently," he said to the people waiting patiently for five years
    lol, lmao
    being a viera or a hrothgar must be really hard. I wonder if female hrothgar will release without hats too.
    The new eyewear slot might be a sign of them adding hats soon.
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  11. #130
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    Volk Virses
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    "Please wait patiently," he said to the people waiting patiently for five years
    lol, lmao
    being a viera or a hrothgar must be really hard. I wonder if female hrothgar will release without hats too.
    Didn't you see the datamine? They will release without torsos!
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