I removed mentor status today.

[Zeastria]

ESO - no

GW2 - no

SWTOR - no

Eve Online - no

Lost Ark (yuck) - no

Runescape - no

Were you being sarcastic? Or just exaggerating?

Now, look up all MMOs that has a global/world chat while you're at it. :P

[Ravenblade1979]

Sargatanas used to have a helpful and entertaining novice network and I was happy to be mentor on that server. Other servers were having problems with their novice networks spiraling into filthy decay but Sargatanas was still keeping to the original vision for the chat in the face of that for years.

That's changed. All I see when I connected to the novice network for a long time now is degenerate filth. There is excessive trolling by both sprouts and mentors and it's totally out of check. There are also a lot of players who are constantly steering the conversation to their obsession with fetishes that most people in the chat are not involved with and again this is both sprouts and mentors. The trolling and fetish talk is actively encouraged.

I hoped some older mentors would help try to reign in the chat. They seem to not be coming around anymore either. If I was a new player connecting to that chat I would assume FFXIV is just full of trolls and furry ERP. If that's the impression you want SE, it's your decision to leave the novice network chats user moderated.

One of the last decent novice network chats is an embarrassment. And the crown is embarrassing.

RIP Sarg NN.

News flash. No mentor chat is like the old days. In fact the old days weren't what you think. At the start it was helpful but then quickly turned to whatever.

It's always been a glorified chat room. Heck most "mentors" are there just to chat and that's it. I've seen multiple times where story was discussed, trolls, bots etc. A few worlds are good about shutting up when it comes to story or answering questions immediately.

However, with no consequences, the chats won't get better. If they had a system in place might be better. Till then, not a chat really needed. The REAL mentors aren't in there anyways and still help how they can. Also seem way more knowledgeable then the dreg you can find in there.

So many times I've seen misinformation given in novnet

[Jojoya]

Now, look up all MMOs that has a global/world chat while you're at it. :P

I just tried. Almost every suggestion of a game with a global channel had someone point out how said channel wasn't global. The only one that didn't seem to have any counterpoints was Albion.

Not even WoW has a true global chat channel. The closest you get is Trade chat and that only reaches players that are in the main cities.

So I guess the list is Albion? If you know of more, you may want to post them for the benefit of those looking for a MMO with a true global chat.

[Baingoleth]

Funny enough, I was on a Sarg alt the other day and I did see a mentor kick one person that's apparently banned from the NN who is making alts to ban evade.

That said, hey, if you see that stuff as a mentor. Kick and report people. It's part of your duties.

I know the player you are referencing. Some mentors will kick that player on sight as they should because the player only trolls. The trouble with that is we have mentors who are also trolls. Those troll mentors defend this player and other trolls when they are in NN. Feels like a lost cause. GM reports have been filed by lots of people about the trolls who consistently troll. Those trolls keep coming into NN. Mentors who upset the welcoming atmosphere of NN intentionally for the drama it creates should lose their crowns if they do it consistently. There needs to be some wiggle room there because some people are just having a bad day or whatever but if it becomes a pattern, remove the crown.

I never care at all if people use NN as a world chat. It helps new players and lonely players connect with others which is a good thing. To be fair, I never see requests for information or help get ignored in Sarg NN. What has been bothering me is seeing the chat trend toward trolling and people's personal fetishes.

I've only ever had one criteria for kicking from NN. I would kick instigators. The chat was made with the purpose of helping new players connect with others in the game and especially with experienced players. New players who connect to NN could have all sorts of different world views. It seems obvious that SE would like all new players to feel welcome and respected. If the NN is to be welcoming and respectful to all new players, comments that start flamewars should be avoided. If I saw a flamewar starting or sprouts started to complain chat was getting creepy or annoying, I would kick the instigator. I kind of burned out on trying to moderate. The trolls and creepy people keep coming back and some of them are actively encouraged.

There was a really good run where people in Sarg NN were excellent to each other most of the time and pretty chill. Near the end of the last few expansions I saw some problems but it wasn't bad enough to comment on really. But this last half year has been unusually bad. There are people just being jerks to others in there and there are people dominating the conversation with topics that creep out enough people that eventually some quieter sprouts start to complain. Like, just get a room or a linkshell or form a party or whatever.

A world chat would be nice.

GMs stripping the crown from mentors who consistently start problems in NN would be nice.

[Remolia]

ESO - no

GW2 - no

SWTOR - no

Eve Online - no

Lost Ark (yuck) - no

Runescape - no

Were you being sarcastic? Or just exaggerating?

Eve Online - Yes

He means public channels, that u can join on ur own, without begging some one for invite.
EvE online, for example, has tons of public channels, and these channels are global, u just press Join from the default channel list, or type a channel name and press Join, and there is no limit to how many channels u can join, and how many players can sit in these channels, and these channels always works, even if u are in WH space or Abyssal instance.

[Remolia]

Not even WoW has a true global chat channel

wow has global optional Language Channels.
also Wow has default LookingForGroup channel and optional GlobalDefence.

also Wow has global channels made by users.

[Stormpeaks]

Perhaps if everyone is having fun in NN but you, maybe you are the problem.

Let people have fun and stop being a party pooper.

You don't like people having fun and can't handle it ? Leave it and move on with your life.

[Tigore]

So far, the NN in Ultros seems to be fine checking it out now. It's mostly being used like a General Chat for anyone anywhere, but I am seeing the sprout questions getting answered. I think I have only had a minor argument with one mentor on it. It was mostly about them not using Regen at all and stating that Afflatus: Solace is all you need. I mean, I didn't fully disagree since it just depends how geared the tanks and healers are if you need it and what content it is.

[Baingoleth]

Perhaps if everyone is having fun in NN but you, maybe you are the problem.

Let people have fun and stop being a party pooper.

You don't like people having fun and can't handle it ? Leave it and move on with your life.

Not in this case. Both mentors and sprouts have told me these things are frustrating them. And I'm also frustrated. NN is a special case for a channel. It needs to stay fun for most, if not all, participants because of its express goals. Either that or SE can change their stance about the goal of the channel. I don't care about seeing these sorts of behaviours in other chats all around the internet. If I see trolling or ERP in a region chat, I don't care at all. NN should be welcoming to all new players at all times since it can be the first connection some players make with others in this game. Or have I missed the point of why SE made NN in the first place?

This thread is my attempt to draw SE's attention to the discrepancy between what I was led to believe NN should be versus what it actually is. I'm especially concerned because Sarg's NN has been so excellent and chill for so long and now it's full of drama resulting from excessive trolling and conversations that make many people uncomfortable. I used to frequently invite sprouts because I knew every sprout I invited would find that Sarg NN was a positive addition to their FFXIV experience. I don't think that's the case anymore. I haven't wanted to invite sprouts in a long time because I know some of them would find it frustrating. It's carried on for long enough now and the problematic behaviour is so frequent that I'd like to draw attention to the lack of GM intervention in NN on this forum again.

At the very least this thread has been a constructive conversation 6 pages in and it's great to see the input.

[Baingoleth]

I want to add a few thoughts.

Here's how I used to see chat behave. If a player started to lead into a conversation that causes angry arguing in the general public, that person would be asked to tone it back. I rarely saw mentors bringing up such topics or encouraging those sprouts who did. I'm troubled that this is no longer the case. Such topics are more and more frequent and they tend to continue until people start to make comments that they're bothered. This is what troubles me.

If players know something they want to talk about is probably going to bother a decent number of NN participants, they should feel free to talk about it but in another chat. Unless those players are tolling. Trolling should not be tolerated and we need a way to deal with repeated trolling from mentors.

People can get excited about things that are often very divisive and that's totally fine. But NN needs to stay welcoming to new players with all sorts of differing world views.

It always starts the same way. A player starts to talk about something that leads to strong feelings in more than a few people reading chat. The player gets interested responses and is encouraged to take the conversation further. More toes get stepped on and eventually those who are getting frustrated speak up. Arguing follows. People get upset. Someone gets kicked. And sometimes a kickwar follows. By this time some new players are thinking that NN really is as bad as the forums make it out to be.

All I'm asking is to keep it classy and if things start to get uncomfortable in NN then please be excellent to your other NN participants and take the conversation to another chat instead of waiting until people start to react.