Quote Originally Posted by Lady_Silvermoon View Post
This ignores that both her rise to godhood and the creation of her champion is dependant on the rejoinings. So why assume she let him go with hope in her heart he wouldn't do exactly what she needed him to do to maintain the timeline when her every other action and inaction suggests she's attempting to maintain the timeline and any comments they've made about it tell us she's purposely maintaining the timeline? At that point you're just ignoring even what the people who wrote it said she's doing to read her as good.
What "rise to godhood"?

She became an elder primal/deity concept before the Sundering and she didn't act as the world's goddess afterwards, demanding prayer and reverence. No one apart from some scholars and the Forum in Sharlayan, the Scions, Echo-bearers, and the leaders of Eorzea even knew she existed. EE1 even treats Hydaelyn as a "living will of the star" as a theory.

The way you word it, it feels like your take on this whole thing is that Venat maliciously orchestrated the death of the Ancients for personal gain. She and her Twelve weren't the only people who were anti-Zodiark and the sentiment seemed to exist without her having to shepherd her flock to her desired position. Enough people believed that humanity couldn't survive another coming of the Final Days as they were with the failure of their creation magicks, and considering how multiple civilizations were destroyed and very nearly their own as well because one guy innocently released an unapproved concept into the cosmos and then decided to put the universe's life on trial, they at least have valid concerns.



Could Venat have just told the Convocation about Meteion and Kairos? Perhaps, but the end of all life was at stake and she only knew of one sure fix and even then she didn't put all her eggs in one basket if her plan B is anything to go by. She also had enough suspicion that Hermes would spoil any attempt to rectify the situation had he known the truth but his knowledge of celestial aether was necessary for the success of Zodiark so she made the executive decision that going off-piste and alerting the Convocation wasn't worth the life of the universe.


I don't believe she was just allowing Rejoinings to happen in order to bring Azem-WoL around though. Otherwise there would have been no point in resisting by making WoLs and Echo-bearers ahead of every little disaster or Rejoining attempt until the end of the Sixth Astral Era but we know of the existence of past historical examples. Unless the WoL is an all-knowing sage, they can't have known every little skirmish between the WoLs and the Ascians over the past 12,000 years and told Venat all of it so that she can pick and choose which battles to win or lose in order to preserve the timeline. That sounds like a bit much.

If we're going to count Venat letting Emet-Selch go as her being responsible for the deaths of those killed in the Rejoinings, then what about when Emet-Selch himself doomed Elidibus and the whole plan he and Emet had worked 12,000 years on by letting us free when Elidibus had us dead to rights and was on the cusp of knocking down the last barrier to bringing back Zodiark? By that measure it was Emet-Selch who killed off the Ancients, not Venat. If Emet-Selch wanted the Ancients to come back, all he had to do was to do nothing but his involvement was the final nail in the coffin that killed the last Unsundered and relegated the Ancients forever to history.