[RANT] Dearest Sage Mains

[IceBlueNinja]

Umm ok not to be rude but it is not our fault that it was a poor design that we need to use a shield to get adderstings, hence why we sometimes have no choice. I and others have suggest other ways to fix this mess such as while dpsing we slowly gain progress towards a toxicon stack or make it be like whm lilly system that rather than relaying on E diag/Prog spam to generate addersting let drochole/ixo/taro instead give us a stack of addersting which I suppose is not a bad Idea.

Also regarding toxicon I have situation where I can't just stand put and press dosis because there are fights where boss is slinging things left and right and you must bob and weave which toxicon becomes useful for at that point to not lose much dps. Also, honestly and I do it myself too sometimes if your paired with a sage (am paired with a sch as sge) and do not want shield wars as harsh as it sounds you may then leave the dungeon which ofc as your stating this is just casual alliance/normal raids/trials which at that point shields should not really be required for those easy content unless its a bunch of sprouts with terrible gear eating alot of unnecessary damage. Saying we are grieving for using our ability is abit much and sounds like entitlement. Reminds me of old stormblood ast the entitled oh you should only be using the balance, not the other 5 cards even though they do have some uses.

[Shurrikhan]

Umm ok not to be rude but it is not our fault that it was a poor design that we need to use a shield to get adderstings, hence why we sometimes have no choice.

...You're acting like a net damage loss (generating Adderstings) is a necessary win condition. Toxicon does not make up for the damage lost to shielding. It's merely a small, partial refund that allows for some additional mobility or AoE even while forced out of melee range.

If your ally needed the shield that just happens then to give you some Addersting on its consumption, well... your ally needed the stronger SCH shield in that circumstance even more; you've wasted most of GCD of damage-dealing... to reduce your ally's shielding.

You do not need to shield spam for Adderstings. You do not, generally speaking, need Addersting. You certainly do not need a net waste of your DPS nor to waste your SCH's more powerful CD-generated shields to build up Adderstings.

[Rongway]

Toxicon does not make up for the damage lost to shielding.

You do not need Addersting.

Toxicon is a mobile GCD and I'm definitely going to shield at least three people every downtime so I can get those stacks back when it doesn't cost me any Dosies.

You do not need to waste your SCH's more powerful shields to build up Adderstings.

Outside of Savage content, those more powerful shields won't matter. It won't cost us any extra heals to make up for me overwriting three of their shields, especially if those three shields were on the two tanks and me, which, again, I'm doing during downtime, and we've probably got between four and six party mitigations up if everyone's making good use of their jobs' actions.

In my most sincerest and friendliest reminder, keep your shields off our tank.

The tanks are the best targets for sage shields if you've deployed a crit Galvanize because they're the people who will most certainly not miss that extra eHp at all.

[Shurrikhan]

Toxicon does not make up for the damage lost to shielding.

Toxicon is a mobile GCD and I'm definitely going to shield at least three people every downtime so I can get those stacks back when it doesn't cost me any Dosies.

In those cases, there would be no damage lost in the first place, because there was nothing to attack anyways.

IceBlue was making the claim, though, that SGE needs Addersting even to function such that replacing a Deployed Adlo with his EukProg would just be an unavoidable circumstance...

Outside of Savage content, those more powerful shields won't matter.

Even if the difference between your weaker shield and the more powerful shield it replaced isn't going to make a difference to survival, that still leaves the waste of the entire other shield, all so you can, what, get back a portion of the GCD cost for having applied the shield that reduced your allies' shielding?

[Rongway]

Even if the difference between your weaker shield and the more powerful shield it replaced isn't going to make a difference to survival, that still leaves the waste of the entire other shield, all so you can, what, get back a portion of the GCD cost for having applied the shield that reduced your allies' shielding?

Again, downtime. Downtime GCDs spent on shields do not matter.

[IceBlueNinja]

...You're acting like a net damage loss (generating Adderstings) is a necessary win condition. Toxicon does not make up for the damage lost to shielding. It's merely a small, partial refund that allows for some additional mobility or AoE even while forced out of melee range.

If your ally needed the shield that just happens then to give you some Addersting on its consumption, well... your ally needed the stronger SCH shield in that circumstance even more; you've wasted most of GCD of damage-dealing... to reduce your ally's shielding.

You do not need to shield spam for Adderstings. You do not, generally speaking, need Addersting. You certainly do not need a net waste of your DPS nor to waste your SCH's more powerful CD-generated shields to build up Adderstings.

You seem to fail to see the part where apparently op is complaining about petty silly content such as alliance, do you not see how joke of damage the 3 ew alliance does cept maybe the eulgia who just a copy and paste of all the previous boss mechs. Stronger shields are invalid for content outside of savage and ultimate and its common sense we all know this, I get you and most love yall precious scholars but op also state and claim we are grieving for using our kit and that is a silly thing to assume. Now if its party finder we can say something different but ofc in party finder its common that it be most likely people want whm/sage or ast/sch combo and not a sge/sch or whm/ast do to how its much easier for one pure healer and one barrier healer works best without too much issue. Which if you notice none of this is complaints regarding savage/ultimates.

I also point out how addersting issue could be properly changed like having druo/ixo similar to whm lillies instead give adder sting which imo would be a massive dps gain on sages part + possibly buff toxicon damage up in potency and it is SE fault for having set that we gotta shield spam e prog/diag if we want addersting but that does not mean I spam it or be a troll. why would I waste my mp unnecessarily? I was making a general statement that its a bad design that SE done which cause most new players to sage doing that and am not one of them. Also if people need strong aoe sch shields in normal content that that sounds like a party full of sprouts and terrible gear. So please do not ignore the facts about that.