Revelations from Encyclopaedia Eorzea III

[Tsiron]

Yeeaaah I don't know what to tell you, honestly. ShB made it seem as though her and Ryne's resolution was similar in nature to the WoL and Ardbert's and, much as I am glad she's not gone forever (still, and despite the devs failing her at every turn...), her appearing in EW at all felt like a retcon of that to me

[Iscah]

her appearing in EW at all felt like a retcon of that to me

While there's no proof, my gut feeling is that maybe they wanted to have Louisoix appear at that point in the Aitiascope but realised it couldn't work if the player hadn't done Coil so his soul was still trapped by Bahamut, so they had to use Minfilia instead.

[Rannie]

That's what I originally thought before the book. But they go out of their way to use the exact same sentence that she's an reincarnation for Gaia's entry as well. I don't think proof of echo is necessary to prove or disprove she's a shard. The source Minfilia never uses her echo except to talk to the sahaghin, which wasn't necessary, everybody talks English on 2.0.

She didnt use her echo in the 2.0 patches to "talk," to the sahagin she actually had the same echo vision we had. And it wasn't shown to be used anymore because there was no need. Plus she was the only one who was able to see Elidibus in 2.0 when he went to the waking Sands in the early patch.

[JepMZ]

She didnt use her echo in the 2.0 patches to "talk," to the sahagin she actually had the same echo vision we had. And it wasn't shown to be used anymore because there was no need. Plus she was the only one who was able to see Elidibus in 2.0 when he went to the waking Sands in the early patch.

Exactly, it's not even needed. It didn't save her from getting kidnapped. It shouldn't be a factor if Ryne is her shard or not

[CNitsah]

That the current working theory about Reaper avatars is that the reason why they can mesh so well with their reaper and can allow them to go into the avatar state is that the avatar is that person's shard from the 13th.

How does that work with the WoL? It was not really subtlely implied in 6.4 and 6.5 that the real Golbez is the Azem shard of the 13th.

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didn't we have a spoiler tag?

[Rannie]

Exactly, it's not even needed. It didn't save her from getting kidnapped. It shouldn't be a factor if Ryne is her shard or not

Uh it would be seeing as its brought out by a literal scar on the soul. Also since you didnt understand what i said, showing her having the echo wasnt needed afterwards for Minfillia. Not that she needed/didn't need the echo to save herself.

Secondly you seem to be forgetting that souls are drawn to one another and are a complete merge between the the two once it is done. However, we were explicitly shown with our soul shard merging with ours and with the soul of the sources Minfilia literally leaving that the two are not the same.

Another factor is the echo also showing up in Ardbert who is OUR soul shard and also sets a precedence for it happening another example would most likely be U boy and the elezen blm from Ardbert's group

[YianKutku]

p38:

Further investigation revealed that this sinister figure had ordered Lamunth to secret the crystal in the mine shafts

I think it should be "secrete"?

[Cleretic]

p38:



I think it should be "secrete"?

No, 'secret' in the verb form basically means 'to hide a thing'; it's a generally pretty archaic term, so you mostly see it in fantasy and period settings now. 'Secrete' is DEFINITELY wrong, unless that crystal is... significantly grosser than we were ever told. That's a very different verb.

How does that work with the WoL? It was not really subtlely implied in 6.4 and 6.5 that the real Golbez is the Azem shard of the 13th.

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didn't we have a spoiler tag?

We do have a spoiler tag (it's [ HB ] without the spaces), but as mentioned in the OP, there is no point to actually spoiler-tagging anything in this thread, because it's all basically extra flavor text for stuff we've already had for months-to-years. I exercised a bit of an exception given there's a character that seems likely to come up next month that hasn't appeared otherwise, but there's no point spoiling anything about stuff that's already in the game; if you're looking at the EE3 and/or people talking about it, you've already signed that waiver.

But to answer your question: The Avatar being their Reaper's shard is a theory described as 'both unverified and unverifiable'. To me, that reads as the writers saying 'we're never going to answer this, here's the biggest hint for people who are looking for that, but decide on your own favorite reading'.

And I think that works because it just does not matter. We have a lot of potential contenders for the Thirteenth's Azem shard: The Avatar, the CoD of Darkness, Golbez, Zero, Diabolos, Other Golbez, Cagnazzo, that one Hecteye; pretty much every single named voidsent is a possible answer... and any confirmation would change or deepen exactly none of them. What's the value in even answering the question at that point?



(Personally, I think it means much more interesting things for Zero and Zenos than it does the WoL; that was always an atypical relationship, but this adds some interesting potential angles about it.)

[SannaR]

I doubt it's Zero as we would have had sparklies when we finally touched her in 6.5. And now that I think about it I doubt it being OG Golbez (even if I'm team OG Golbez) as from what we know on how memoria crystals work people inside of them aren't able to pop out. It would be kind of hard for OG Golbez to be constantly popping out of their memoria crystal, temporarily do the fusion dance with (let alone popping out to do a few attacks here and there) us while in the Avatar state only to pop back into their crystal without anyone noticing. Especially with how frequently it would be happening.

[Zero-ELEC]

My question for those with copies of the Encyclopaedia: do they clarify what counts as a blasphemy? There was some confusion about if "terminus beasts", "fell beasts", and "blasphemies" were all the same. Some believed that blasphemies were only the big ones that triggered the effects of the Final Days, others believed them to be all "fell beasts" we encounter, etc.