Still Waiting for that Sam/Nin nerf

[Aubrey_A]

Tbh the only reason I could see LB changes for them is for them to not feel like a useless nothingburger when the conditions aren't met. Zant is easy to play around and Seiton is a hot mess with server and heal ticks.

I personally dislike NIN lb a bit, but it is nothing I'd lose sleep over.

If I could change Ninja's LB, I keep the theme but change the execution. Instead of a tick/heal dependant, all-or-nothing LB, I would see the NIN LB apply a DoT. The DoT itself does damage equal to 50% of the affected jobs HP, but those ticks take place over an exceptionally short period of time (similar to what PvE Pyretic does). Same reuse effect if it scores a kill. Some counterplay against it? Yes, but will it be a secured kill if they can't recupe more than twice? Also yes

[Cabalabob]

I’ve been levelling a lot of my classes in frontlines and I have to say, I do think SAM needs a total rework. Not because it’s too strong, but just because nothing about the job works.

The LB is cheap and just a gimmick that makes people feel bad that they lost their battle high to something stupid. The gap closer changing your single target attacks to point blank melee range AoEs just doesn’t work because when you gap close to someone that’s running away your AoE doesn’t register as hitting them where a single target attack would and cast times on melee range attacks also just doesn’t work because people are constantly moving and end up moving out of range and interrupting it. Defensively it’s fine, it could maybe use an escape move like all the other melee, but chiten is pretty good at that because of the fear of the LB. But overall I’d say SAM is a pretty weak job that crutches on the bad mechanic that is its LB.

[Akimitsu]

If I could change Ninja's LB, I keep the theme but change the execution. Instead of a tick/heal dependant, all-or-nothing LB, I would see the NIN LB apply a DoT. The DoT itself does damage equal to 50% of the affected jobs HP, but those ticks take place over an exceptionally short period of time (similar to what PvE Pyretic does). Same reuse effect if it scores a kill. Some counterplay against it? Yes, but will it be a secured kill if they can't recupe more than twice? Also yes

Not sure that would work, multiple NINs working together could potentially go on a small killing spree by marking and coordinating their LBs, it would make it really cheap. Reacting to something with the dot tick speed of pyretic would be difficult and would make the 60% defense of tanks and melees in FL rather useless. If anything it might be better for NIN LB to not work through guard (nor any LB for that matter). It's not a perfect LB but it's also not the most annoying.

[Aubrey_A]

Not sure that would work, multiple NINs working together could potentially go on a small killing spree by marking and coordinating their LBs, it would make it really cheap. Reacting to something with the dot tick speed of pyretic would be difficult and would make the 60% defense of tanks and melees in FL rather useless. If anything it might be better for NIN LB to not work through guard (nor any LB for that matter). It's not a perfect LB but it's also not the most annoying.

Do you mean I could finally get that BHV DRG that spams Elusive Jump the moment they release Sky Shatter for their 2-5 FL kills?!? In all seriousness, that's a huuuuuge oversight on my part, the chain potential would be monumental across even just 2 Ninjas. To elaborate on the idea, the DoT should only take effect if the target's HP is below 50%. As well, guard should reduce the DoT damage by 90% as it does all other damage, but that's not how DoTs work in XIV.

[Oni_Akuma]

I'll put it out there. Sam and Nin don't need any nerfs. On the contrary, Sam needs to be buffed slightly. In Crystal level gameplay, they are too easy to kill. Ninja can be debated for buffs slightly. What I notice is most of you complainers do not have high actions per minute and think they're broken cause you can't press buttons fast enough. These buttons are significantly less buttons than previous pvp modes.

What I can tell from your complaining is that you are lacking basic knowledge* of counterplay and pvp etc. Like I said in other threads. I fight people to the death 1 v 3-5 in Crystal rank and tournament CCRC level scrims to test your abilities. It's also about mental awareness and creating opportunities in battle.

Every season I get to Crystal [when subbed] simply by Running you all down. [Straight up killing and not playing for objectives] Honestly not many of you show any promise of potential. Simply just showing me you play the mode many times to achieve the rank you aim to get.

[AnotherPerson]

I see this thread is awash in unranked/bronze responses. I guess I'll take this moment to educate you all since you may one day have the desire to play a ranked match, or aspire to reach silver.

Sam LB does your full HP worth in damage. It goes through shield. The only way to counter it when you have the debuff is to have a barrier and be at full health (or stun the sam in the hopes they dont have enough time during their debuff to hit their LB and finish the cast time. Lol good luck on that. unless you're spending time with him targeted, Yoshi and crew's design on targeting and accuracy of their ui/macros is abysmal).

An intelligent sam (not your guys' tier, we're talking silver 4+), can use the mere threat of his/her gauge to sit on a crystal point and fish out the one or two errant area of effects that may come his way and yeetus deletus high value DPS targets. A sam's presence with full LB on the point causes your entire team to shift tactics if he wants. It also gives him impunity to dive high DPS targets and if you go to peel them, gg, you're done.

As for ninja, there's no recuping a ninja's LB. He's waiting on the dip, and if they are competent, they'll even throw one of their TWO stuns on top, so you have to waste a GCD / animation lock just to hit your OGCD recup on stun break which good luck, you'll never beat the lb animation to hit your recup in time even if you're at 49.999999% health. Shout out to the 2004 system that either is batching or replicates the batching of attacks. Real nice design choice there, I must say.

I'm glad I could inform you, good luck in your first ranked games to come.

Player Skill issue. Avoid playing PvP with the mentality of waiting for mechanic to resolve like in PvE.

- Sincerely,
Crystal-tier player

[joansbones]

i hope the balance team never takes a pvp forum posts suggestions into consideration

[LezardQueen]

This post further proves that 99% of all PvPers doesn’t know how to play most of the time

[Jettinson]

i hope the balance team never takes a pvp forum posts suggestions into consideration

I highly doubt they take any of PvP posts in considerations
(Square, instead of a single attack, give Samurai a horse during its LB, thank you)

[yaba_gabagool]

Player Skill issue. Avoid playing PvP with the mentality of waiting for mechanic to resolve like in PvE.

- Sincerely,
Crystal-tier player

Oh that's strange it says your most played class in CC was Nin followed by Mch.

Gotta do whatever it takes to save your ez pz climb to crystal class eh?

I wouldn't be surprised if someone caught you win trading / using the auto targeting third party cheat software.


Nerds can't even handle there's no way to stop ninja LB especially when coordinated with someone who has a burst via shield (Herp derp, I wonder why Mch and Nin combos rank number 1 in both competitive tier and casual)

And worst part is, that's not even the easiest combo to wombo with, you can literally wipe teams with Whm and Drgs in the 70-80 IQ range just by having them LB on top of a group of people or line aoe and watching the ninja roll their misshapen quasimodo forebrow along their keyboard with buttons 1-9 being their LB.

No this game is horrifically balanced, and bottom barreled players are getting to the top abusing the same tired stuff.