Still Waiting for that Sam/Nin nerf

[yaba_gabagool]

We all know it needs to happen.

Sam - LB that instant 100/0 people with little to no counter play.

Nin - LB that chain kills people at 50% health or less.

Both classes have very good survivability and sustain/burst.

Get rid of this trash Yoshi. I get it, JP bias towards these classes, but let's not forget the following facts:

1. The only reason Japan survived the mongol invasion was because a storm wiped out their fleet after they had nearly beaten the samurai into submission.

2. ninjas were memes who still got cut down by samurai because they were farmers dressed in pantyhose liners that covered their heads.

Also you know what makes me angry? The whole idea that samurai used their inferior swords (ill take a European one anyday) as anymore than a backup/status weapon.

The Japanese historically were masters of the spear/polearm, the bow, and surprisingly, axes.

If I was JP, I'd be pretty annoyed/insulted at the insane amount of historically inaccurate attention these meme longswords get compared to the literal historically legendary skill they had with spears/bows.

Hell, I'm not JP and I'm annoyed/insulted for them. It's an injustice to actual history which is cool, compared to the lame otaku garbage we have represented today.

Justice for JP history please.

[Oni_Akuma]

Shield for Zantetsuken
Learn to recuperate and delay Nin for 5s

[Akimitsu]

At the risk of posting on a troll thread (if you're serious about your feedback I'm not sure this history lesson was the best way to go about it lol), I have to mostly agree with you. SAM LB is the cheapest and most disruptive skill in pvp at the moment, leaving you guessing, or straight up stop attacking every time a SAM has Chiten up. Not being able to attack unless you can shield yourself (and even that is risky) for 5 seconds, when there might be multiple SAMs on enemy GCs (or even just one in CC) is an actual issue. Let's not talk about stray AoEs that trigger it.... just absurd. Why not just make it flat damage all around the SAM, just like Sky Shatter, without the damage by distance thing? Just a lower potency.

As for NIN the LB is annoying but also useful. I tend to consider NINs in FL as useless players who just wait for other people to drop enemies low enough so they can use their LB. But as lame as these people are they still have their use, especially against melees/tanks, the ability to one one shot past 50% HP is a good way to quickly remove tanky targets and move on to the ones at the back.

[Doozer]

I don't remember the last time I got LB'd by a SAM or NIN. Learn to counter. Of all the jobs/comps in PvP right now, SAM and NIN are the least of a concern.

[yaba_gabagool]

I see this thread is awash in unranked/bronze responses. I guess I'll take this moment to educate you all since you may one day have the desire to play a ranked match, or aspire to reach silver.

Sam LB does your full HP worth in damage. It goes through shield. The only way to counter it when you have the debuff is to have a barrier and be at full health (or stun the sam in the hopes they dont have enough time during their debuff to hit their LB and finish the cast time. Lol good luck on that. unless you're spending time with him targeted, Yoshi and crew's design on targeting and accuracy of their ui/macros is abysmal).

An intelligent sam (not your guys' tier, we're talking silver 4+), can use the mere threat of his/her gauge to sit on a crystal point and fish out the one or two errant area of effects that may come his way and yeetus deletus high value DPS targets. A sam's presence with full LB on the point causes your entire team to shift tactics if he wants. It also gives him impunity to dive high DPS targets and if you go to peel them, gg, you're done.

As for ninja, there's no recuping a ninja's LB. He's waiting on the dip, and if they are competent, they'll even throw one of their TWO stuns on top, so you have to waste a GCD / animation lock just to hit your OGCD recup on stun break which good luck, you'll never beat the lb animation to hit your recup in time even if you're at 49.999999% health. Shout out to the 2004 system that either is batching or replicates the batching of attacks. Real nice design choice there, I must say.

I'm glad I could inform you, good luck in your first ranked games to come.

[Llynethil]

Skill issue thread.

At least mention drg in there to be taken slightly serious.

[SpritePR]

SAM: Look for chiten. Don't hit them for 5 seconds. If you hit them run away far enough or guard.

NIN: Stay above 50%

I nerfed them with skill.

[SpritePR]

At the risk of posting on a troll thread (if you're serious about your feedback I'm not sure this history lesson was the best way to go about it lol), I have to mostly agree with you. SAM LB is the cheapest and most disruptive skill in pvp at the moment, leaving you guessing, or straight up stop attacking every time a SAM has Chiten up. Not being able to attack unless you can shield yourself (and even that is risky) for 5 seconds, when there might be multiple SAMs on enemy GCs (or even just one in CC) is an actual issue. Let's not talk about stray AoEs that trigger it.... just absurd. Why not just make it flat damage all around the SAM, just like Sky Shatter, without the damage by distance thing? Just a lower potency.

As for NIN the LB is annoying but also useful. I tend to consider NINs in FL as useless players who just wait for other people to drop enemies low enough so they can use their LB. But as lame as these people are they still have their use, especially against melees/tanks, the ability to one one shot past 50% HP is a good way to quickly remove tanky targets and move on to the ones at the back.

Cheapest skill you say.

Have you heard about our lord and savior 'Miracle Of Nature' Please let me know the counter play for that.

[Eastwall]

SAM: Look for chiten. Don't hit them for 5 seconds. If you hit them run away far enough or guard.

NIN: Stay above 50%

I nerfed them with skill.

Do you know Sam lb ignores guard if you got the debuff?

[Jettinson]

SAM: Look for chiten. Don't hit them for 5 seconds. If you hit them run away far enough or guard.

NIN: Stay above 50%

I nerfed them with skill.

Ooh so this is why I am having free kills as Samurai, people still think Guard will save them after being hit LOL