This is the biggest reason why Tanks and Healers are designed to be braindead easy.

[Sebazy]

Someone made a good comment basically pointing out the SMN is in the wrong. It seems he was running ahead, face pulling stuff, then complaining the Tank wasn't pulling it off him, didn't realize the Tank was a sprout, started calling everyone names, insisting people were "griefing" him when it sounds like he was the one griefing the party, and conducted himself as a total butt.

https://twitter.com/mane_tank/status...44752157131002

Bless the logs for they shall reveal all.

Pause the replay at 11 seconds, you can see the DRK tank plunge into the pack and then seemingly not do anymore AoE whatsoever. Meanwhile the SMN's own AoEs immediately pull agro off the rest of the pack. Look at the HP bars in the bottom right and you see that 1 mob is hitting the tank, the rest of the pack is inflicting a beatdown on the SMN. They didn't pull ahead, they didn't run off up the road or anything like that.

Doing a little more stalking my best guess is that they have absolutely no idea that it's a problem. Could be a super old player, probably not super young as they've been playing long enough to have gotten better with time, may be a disability thing. Not sure I buy the troll thing as they've been too consistent over too long a period of time for that.

I'm not going to defend the chat etc, that was a hot mess.

I do kind of wish I was the healer though. Not going to lie, I lowkey love it when a DPS ends up tanking for whatever reason, trying to keep them alive is a great challenge and even brings back enmity++

[OgruMogru]

It sounded more like the Sam was annoyed because the Smn was either panicking or running to out-distance autos and it kept interrupting his own dps, not worried about the comfort of the tank. But Idk I was too distracted by the guy sounding like the voice sample from the start of Joan Of Arc by Melvins

[Lyth]

All of the tanks are basically just melee dps with defensive cooldowns.

High end content generally makes tanks and healers harder than dps.

Your original take was more accurate. The current hotbar budget allocated to defensive actions on tanks is excessive relative to fight design, and limits the space available for more interesting offensive actions. In the absence of positioning mechanics (facilitated by wall bosses and self-positioning bosses, because the fight designers don't trust you to do this competently), you're playing with half the kit of your melee counterparts for the privilege of taking turns pressing the invuln button when the red arrow appears. It's not worth it.

I suspect if this game was released today, it probably wouldn't use a trinity design. Actual tank and healing functions have been largely vestigial since about Heavensward. And in exchange for what? A progressively dwindling impact on the only fight metric that matters? By this point, anyone who was remotely good at doing damage has already swapped over.

[Renathras]

Video posted by the SAM (Sebazy's link had Mane trying to reply to defend his behavior after this):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLtl6-XXlao

The SAM seems like legitimately the only sensible person in this entire mess.

Apparently, the SMN had been dying to trash over and over again before all of this. Mane's video in the post above by Sebazy seems to be in the middle of the dungeon, not the start of it. The enemy names I see are stuff like "Knight of Baron", and those are from after you use the crystal to dive into the memories, meaning after the first boss. So it appears Mane is trying to move the goalposts and pull the wool over people's eyes.

The SAM points out that they were at a boss fight when all this started, and the Tank had died. The SMN got agro and started running around the arena, with the SAM chasing the boss trying to hit him with melee and cast attacks, which obviously wasn't working well. That's where the "stop running" came up, as the SAM was trying to actually attack the boss. The Tank was Raised by the Healer, which is probably where the SMN said he should use provoke. Which means this had literally nothing to do with AOE attacks or trash packs.

Mane's video isn't of the whole dungeon run, nor of the boss fight in question, so it doesn't actually offer a rebuttal to the SAM's defense and description of the series of events. It also is a SECOND case of a very selective bit of information without context released by Mane (the first being the chat log), that very much seems like Mane is trying to control the narrative and mislead people.

Additionally, the SAM's video (above) has been brigaded by Xeno and Mane fans all badmouthing the SAM, with many of them not even watching the video (for example, people talking about AOE abilities when the conversation in question apparently was during a boss fight).

Again, I don't think we have enough information to fully understand the situation, but what it appears like to me is this:

Mane was kind of pulling ahead and dying over and over, then when they got to the boss, got agro when the Tank died, and was running around. When the SAM called him on that (whether you think kiting was the right idea then or not is somewhat irrelevant), Mane attacked the Tank instead, and the SAM by proxy, insisting they were friends (apparently, the SAM didn't and doesn't know the Tank at all), leading to the conversation in question. He then posted it online to try and shame (without name) the SAM, and the story was taken up by people who wanted to bash braindead rotations and players. Xeno then reacted, taking Mane's side. When the SAM, Rudrake, responded in his defense, both Xeno AND Mane used their considerable fan followings to mock and ridicule him (Mane even said something like "I shouldn't have hidden your name", implying more than a little spite), since it made their take look bad. Their fans then flooded Rudrake's posts (YouTube and Twitter) to attack him and call him names, defending their fandom/cult leaders, and then Mane posted a video that was not showing the entire event and only showing what he wanted them to see - it appears NOT to be the entire run, rather the next trash pull that happened AFTER that boss fight. Which is probably the lower part of the text conversation about AOE abilities. Which Mane did to defend his accusations and to make Rudrake look bad.

Overall:

Rudrake is the only person in this entire mess who seems sensible, though. Mane seems to be both rude AND vindictive, Xeno a pusher of drama for drama's sake and a fount of bad takes, and their collective fans as pretty horrible cultists dogpiling on the one person in the entire situation that actually seemed both measured and reasonable. Mane should step back and apologize or at least offer a truce because this is making him look REALLY bad, and Xeno should just stop being Xeno at this point.

Your takes can be different, but that's what I'm seeing, looking at all the available facts.

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Doing a little more stalking my best guess is that they have absolutely no idea that it's a problem. Could be a super old player, probably not super young as they've been playing long enough to have gotten better with time, may be a disability thing. Not sure I buy the troll thing as they've been too consistent over too long a period of time for that.

I'm not going to defend the chat etc, that was a hot mess.

I do kind of wish I was the healer though. Not going to lie, I lowkey love it when a DPS ends up tanking for whatever reason, trying to keep them alive is a great challenge and even brings back enmity++

I think I agree with most of this.

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EDIT:

Also, is it ironic to anyone else that the person at the center of all this drama is named "Mane Tank" but he wasn't Tanking?

I dunno, something about this is ironic to me...

[ZiraZ]

SAM throwing a meltie instead of helping the SMN who has to deal with an entire trash pack chasing him down the second he uses any of their abilities, also bitching that the SMN is running around to minimize Boss auto attacks done to him and avoid death, what a trash personality that SAM has.
Never protect a bad player just to get good boy points.

[chaotix69]

Healers "braindead easy"? Mao thinkings this little bits hyperbole. Mao is mostly BLM buts Mao also does little bits WHM. Mao finds being WHM SO much harder than being BLM. Is has to watch for many things! Red puddles, Boss, all Group Mates healths and conditions. If things go South, also has to find right time and place to rez Group Mate. Mao thinkings Healers jobs not easy! Maybe peoples thinkings this so because thems experienced Healers and is used to the difficulty?

Why are you talking like this

[Eraden]

Why are you talking like this

Mao nots know Eorzean language very well. Mao raised by Dragons. Mao good at Dragon speakings.

[Allegor]

I do kind of wish I was the healer though. Not going to lie, I lowkey love it when a DPS ends up tanking for whatever reason, trying to keep them alive is a great challenge and even brings back enmity++

When the floor tank becomes the actual tank

[OgruMogru]

Also, is it ironic to anyone else that the person at the center of all this drama is named "Mane Tank" but he wasn't Tanking?

I dunno, something about this is ironic to me...

I don't think he was Lion about the situation

[Boblawblah]

Why are you talking like this

Mao is Mao, and she is very precious, and cute, and if you hurt her feelings..