Dawntrail needs to better, not just more.

[ReynTime]

I think it is just because the trailer has nothing much exciting in it. It's a holiday that resembles Island Sanctuary, something many of us associate with being boring and spending 2 minutes a day or week doing.

The detail provided beyond the trailer is a lot more exciting, such as dark mountains, barren lands and technology. That sort of stuff would actually have made the trailer better but for some reason they just want to show pineapples, grapefruits and burgers.

Not dismissing the rest of your post, I just wanted to comment on this part in particular.

Speaking only for myself, it doesn't do anything to show how cool the land and new region looks, if they're not going to make the field areas engaging. As they have been for years, they're nothing but background eye candy for the MSQ, that you will walk through once then only on rare occasions when doing hunt trains or the countless unrewarding optional quests (both which you will do flying so even more passively than during the MSQ).
And to make it worse they showcase another desert area. We already had 3. I don't care if the other 3 weren't meso american. The screenshot they showed didn't even look THAT dissimilar to a place that could have been in Thanalan.

[samsaraSaber]

Not dismissing the rest of your post, I just wanted to comment on this part in particular.

Speaking only for myself, it doesn't do anything to show how cool the land and new region looks, if they're not going to make the field areas engaging. As they have been for years, they're nothing but background eye candy for the MSQ, that you will walk through once then only on rare occasions when doing hunt trains or the countless unrewarding optional quests (both which you will do flying so even more passively than during the MSQ).
And to make it worse they showcase another desert area. We already had 3. I don't care if the other 3 weren't meso american. The screenshot they showed didn't even look THAT dissimilar to a place that could have been in Thanalan.

ye such a good looking land and new region looks. well teleport to limsa to afk till the next expansion.

[Turtledeluxe]

It's amazing that we have official statements that players are

-logging in less
-doing less activities
-can't find things to do

but it's still "go play another game, the game is fine, it's just not for you, there's a silent majority that loves the game".

Staff have confirmed what critics are saying, not what defenders are saying. And devs not immediately responding to the criticism (which is impossible and unreasonable) by implementing changes isn't confirmation that they are unaware or don't care either. When 7.0 doubles down on exploratory zones and relic quests (and more) I have a feeling the defenders will be singing a very different tune. That's because for game defenders, the game is "for them" no matter what the current content is. It's a bunch of pointless and circular non discussion.

[Eraden]

Umm, is ok if Mao chimes in here? Mao likes game VERY VERY much but Mao thinkings is lots room for improvements. Dye system, Glam system, Character design, Storage system, Housing System, Dungeons (Mao thinkings Variant dungeons is pretty darn good start), PVP, Exploration, all could use much upgrades and improvements. Some already known to be comings with next expansion. Mao thinkings much more is needed though. Is not good for SE to sit on laurels for too long. Can never be sure when next big competitor shows up these days because lots new games showings up out of blue from Indy Companies. SE needs keep pushing. Yoshi needs channel himself from backs when hims was trying save FFXIV.

[samsaraSaber]

It's amazing that we have official statements that players are

-logging in less
-doing less activities
-can't find things to do

but it's still "go play another game, the game is fine, it's just not for you, there's a silent majority that loves the game".

Staff have confirmed what critics are saying, not what defenders are saying. And devs not immediately responding to the criticism (which is impossible and unreasonable) by implementing changes isn't confirmation that they are unaware or don't care either. When 7.0 doubles down on exploratory zones and relic quests (and more) I have a feeling the defenders will be singing a very different tune. That's because for game defenders, the game is "for them" no matter what the current content is. It's a bunch of pointless and circular non discussion.

thing is there a silent majority that got the mentality of "suck it up as i did". like you think people like do low level content in roulettes? no but they willing to take it for the imaginary new players. they are the reason SE and yoshi can never improve thing bit degrade them slowly. from what we can get yoshi hate the older players/ non RP end game players and want them to go from the game so he then can make it in to the solo game he so want ff14 to be now. he did openly say he want to bring in the SOLO players the dont want to play an mmo. not to bring in more MMO players. as for the defender of yoshi, they will defend any thing he do. to them he is god. if you privately push this people they will admit they have so much parts of the game they hate but is ok just suck it up.

Umm, is ok if Mao chimes in here? Mao likes game VERY VERY much but Mao thinkings is lots room for improvements. Dye system, Glam system, Character design, Storage system, Housing System, Dungeons (Mao thinkings Variant dungeons is pretty darn good start), PVP, Exploration, all could use much upgrades and improvements. Some already known to be comings with next expansion. Mao thinkings much more is needed though. Is not good for SE to sit on laurels for too long. Can never be sure when next big competitor shows up these days because lots new games showings up out of blue from Indy Companies. SE needs keep pushing. Yoshi needs channel himself from backs when hims was trying save FFXIV.

you are correct, but the only thing we know is a better Dye system. not by much as well. all the rest be as now i bet.

[Swordsman]

The last few weeks i've been trying to pin down exactly why i'm not as hyped for DT as I was for previous expansions. I think i've figured out why. DT doesn't look like it's going to improve upon anything (graphics update aside), just be more of what we have. Now i'm not saying that's bad, 14 is a pretty solid game and the graphics update is going to be massive, but let's be honest, EW has shown a few of the game's cracks.
You know what would really get my blood pumping? Yoshi P getting on stage at JP Fanfest and talking the whole time about improving 14's core. Stuff like gearing overhauls, healers getting more fun, FATE reworks, extreme 24 man raids, faster leveling, item level sync in certain duty finder stuff, glamour being non-job locked, sidequests giving tomestones at max level, customizable job animations, big job changes, duty roulette changes, UI improvements, portrait system fixes, or even letting you craft using materials in your retainers' inventories. Things that make FF14 better, not just more.

We know we're going to the new world. We know we're trying to find the city of gold. We know we're getting six zones, a town, a city, new fates and sidequests and raids. Can you tell us instead what is going to be new and exciting about them aside from visuals? Can the FATEs in a zone trigger a critical engagement or notorious monster? Do you get a zone themed glam set for doing every sidequest in a zone? Things like that would be dozens of times more exciting than spending an hour on stage rehashing things we already know.

Yeah, I know what you mean. This game desperately needs something to spice it up and make it interesting again.

[ty_taurus]

Well, yeah... We still do like the game, after all. If somebody didn't care for the game anymore, they likely wouldn't be here talking at all. You're yelling at clouds, here.

I mean, I've already stated my claim in my thread. If I don't see promise in the healers getting fixed by the media tour, I'm out. The forum gremlin can think I'm here to stay all they want, but if things go as they say, they'll have better luck getting a response from the dead of space than from me come 7.0, cause I'll be playing better games.

[Mayhemmer]

I mean, I've already stated my claim in my thread. If I don't see promise in the healers getting fixed by the media tour, I'm out. The forum gremlin can think I'm here to stay all they want, but if things go as they say, they'll have better luck getting a response from the dead of space than from me come 7.0, cause I'll be playing better games.

That's fair. Unless they somehow drop the ball to some horrifically monumental degree in the media tour stuff, I'll still be around for launch Dawntrail. I enjoy the game on a day-to-day basis enough to want to wait until then to gauge where things stand for me.

The gremlin can still angerly shake their fist at clouds before and after that though, I guess. Not like we'll be here specifically to see it either way.

[Ardeth]

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It depends. If you've played for 10 years and it's the same stuff as usual, you might think differently. As the game is now as it has been, I don't need to play the game when it's current. For example, when DT comes out. Everything that is now timegated behind tome caps and weekly lockouts will be gone. Granted, it won't be endgame gear or good gear, but it will be substantially easier to obtain. So if I gave a crap about my time, I would wait until the expansion after DT came out so I could reep the rewards with minimal effort. And that's just one flaw in the system. I think things like the time gating need to taper off better, but it's how SE has always done things. So right now, while there is absolutely nothing of consequence to do and people are unsubscribing left and right, it still takes the same exact amount of time to gear up as it did when the tier came out. It's stuff like that where I want change. We have more than half a year of waiting for new content. There is not going to be another raid tier this expansion, and it's still gated to waste your time. It's crap like that, and it's why I said the above. I don't see anything changing, and after 10+ years, I think it’s time to hang my hat. Because playing at the start of an expansion sucks. The queues are too long, and you get gated on your progression again and again. Look, all I'm saying is some change isn't bad. Even if it's little.

But I don't see any changes. The same old same old. And if you like that great, but again, it's getting stale. We can only ride Wrath of the Lich King tomes of Justice/Valor for so long. All I'm saying.

And that's not even scratching how garbage level sync is. How fun it is to completely lose 90% of your kit so Jimmy can get his Copperbell mines done. While the other two dps don't have aoe and Jimmy is pulling one at a time. It's great. You know what 90% of new players want once they see you can do it? The fights unsynced. Which kills the whole point. Blast through Garuda for me. It's bad enough synced that she dies in a few minutes, but Jimmy's gotta go fast nuke her in 4 seconds.

Or how absolutely barren the open world is. Outside of hunts and time gated shared fate rewards, what is there to do?

It's easy to come up with things that never change and bother newer and even older players.

And here I am, a casual player complaining about a gear treadmill. That I will give up on 4 weeks in and unsubscribe. An open world SE will treat with apathy and a level sync system that two lf its competitors have solved years ago. Hell, they(Wow) stole GW2 flight, and now we have two games with better mounts than us.

What are our saviors exploratory zones(which I hate, btw)?

I'm not going to leave just yet, but this constant need by fanboys and white knights to shun change needs to stop. I mean, we still have the majority of ARR unvoiced. New players get a treat of inconsistent, terrible, fake British accent voice acting. This game still has one of the worst barriers to entry in current mmos outside of 11. Change something for the love of all you hold dear.

[Minarisweet]

I had this same mindset during shb about endwalker and got heavily dissapointed. I recommend you get prepared for the same.