Cloud DC Proves Cross-Region Travel is OK

[Stormpeaks]

Yes, I know that. But they are already traveling away anyway.

So the only way to keep people there is to prevent them leaving, really, but allow people to visit there.

I don't think there is any damage done. Dynamis just never got off to a good start in the first place, and still hasn't. I don't think there is a really a way they can help it, other than to prevent people not using it to queue for content.

If they force people to stay there, then sure, many will leave, but the ones that stay will actually queue for content there and then other people will be more likely to get queue pops for once.

not "many" will leave, everyone will, dynamis players wouldnt be able to dc travel or anything while others can just come over and abuse the fall guys event or any other event that will come in the future that is by the same idea, you'd basically be at a massive disavantage by being on dyna, it's a ridiculous idea and makes our DC an even less attractive option, and it's already not attractive of an option at all.

[Jeeqbit]

not "many" will leave, everyone will, dynamis players wouldnt be able to dc travel or anything while others can just come over and abuse the fall guys event or any other event that will come in the future that is by the same idea, you'd basically be at a massive disavantage by being on dyna, it's a ridiculous idea and makes our DC an even less attractive option, and it's already not attractive of an option at all.

Well ok then, but Dynamis was being used as a reason why DC travel shouldn't exist, my point was really that Dynamis could use a specific measure for it instead rather than punishing other data centers for its problems.

[Jojoya]

All that you're asking is that we create our own little tribe and keep people out, and I don't know if i really want to spell how that will become toxic in less that a patch cycle.

I'm not saying keep others out. I'm saying ask the locals to prioritize "buying local" if they want more local activity.

What was the opinion of Primal players about Primal raiding before data center travel was added?

[CidHeiral]

What was the opinion of Primal players about Primal raiding before data center travel was added?

It was very healthy. Never had a problem getting a group for anything, including ultimates. Now it's pretty much dead and if you want to raid you either have to accept waiting eons for the party to fill (which I do out of principle) if it ever fills at all or go through the hassle of travelling to Aether only to join a group full of players from Primal anyway. Smart!

[Jojoya]

Yes, I know that. But they are already traveling away anyway.

So the only way to keep people there is to prevent them leaving, really, but allow people to visit there.

I don't think there is any damage done. Dynamis just never got off to a good start in the first place, and still hasn't. I don't think there is a really a way they can help it, other than to prevent people not using it to queue for content.

If they force people to stay there, then sure, many will leave, but the ones that stay will actually queue for content there and then other people will be more likely to get queue pops for once.

Or SE needs to find incentives that will get players to stay on or go to the less populated worlds instead of going to Aether by default.

Or SE comes up with disincentives for traveling to congested worlds by off world players. That could be locking worlds under character creation locks to off world Wanderers and Travelers as well, only allowing players to travel to/from the world if it is their character's home world. They can always meet their friends on their friends' world, or pick a third world if both are congested.

[Volgia]

It was very healthy. Never had a problem getting a group for anything, including ultimates. Now it's pretty much dead and if you want to raid you either have to accept waiting eons for the party to fill (which I do out of principle) if it ever fills at all or go through the hassle of travelling to Aether only to join a group full of players from Primal anyway. Smart!

Like I said, the problem isn't that it's on Aether, the problem is that it's very optimal for players to congregate in a single DC to have the most parties to play with. For example if you are in Primal and there's 6 parties for P11S and they all have your role locked you can't do much, but if you're in Aether and there are Crystal and Aether players doing 20 parties there for p11S you're more likely to get a spot to play. It isn't a matter of server skill but of convenience.

What was the opinion of Primal players about Primal raiding before data center travel was added?

We didn't only have a healthy raid scene but we even had our own discord with our own strats for Ultimates. There were a LOT of people who preferred to raid in Primal in Abyssos even with Aether open.

[CidHeiral]

Like I said, the problem isn't that it's on Aether, the problem is that it's very optimal for players to congregate in a single DC to have the most parties to play with. For example if you are in Primal and there's 6 parties for P11S and they all have your role locked you can't do much, but if you're in Aether and there are Crystal and Aether players doing 20 parties there for p11S you're more likely to get a spot to play. It isn't a matter of server skill but of convenience.

Looks like that's working out great!

[Bonoki]

The Primal Raid situation is a bit of a Paradox.

Originally there were just enough people playing healers to sustain statics but with DC visit, they joined other statics and now everyone needs healers. Including those that might have went healing to fill the group may have went to other roles adding to the healer shortage.

This problem will only be made worse with region travel.

[Volgia]

Looks like that's working out great!

This happened in Primal with Phys Ranged back in Asphodelos. Just a 10 parties waiting to do one content or another fighting each other for a phys ranged, and we didn't have DC travel back then!

[LianaThorne]

Like I said, the problem isn't that it's on Aether, the problem is that it's very optimal for players to congregate in a single DC to have the most parties to play with. For example if you are in Primal and there's 6 parties for P11S and they all have your role locked you can't do much, but if you're in Aether and there are Crystal and Aether players doing 20 parties there for p11S you're more likely to get a spot to play. It isn't a matter of server skill but of convenience.

If this is truly the route that most people want to take then we might as well nuke the different DCs and have everyone pushed into one mega server. There's no reason to not at that point. It isn't really fair to force people from 3 other DCs to travel to do content when prior to DC Travel being a thing, this wasn't an issue.

Regardless of if you want to blame the playerbase or not, the system opened up the door for people to abuse it and a lot of people did. Instead of Dyna having a chance to build its own identity and community, people were going to Aether on Day 1 to do content because they didn't want to exercise an ounce of patience or used the DC as housing with plans to still go back to their original DC anyway to do their day-to-day activities. There are now consistently 100+ PFs on Aether at most hours of the day while Crystal and Primal struggle to get half of that and Dyna can't even break over 10 most of the time.

If this wasn't an issue pre-DC travel and only became one after, then the reality needs to be looked at here that the fault is on both sides: the devs and the playerbase. You should not need to leave your own DC to get content done, period. If we're going to speak on efficiency/convienence, the most efficient/convienent thing is to queue on your DC instead of having to travel and sit in a queue and then sit in a PF party waiting for it to be filled (which could take exponentially longer now considering you're fighting 10+ ads for the same content at the same time).