Dawntrail needs to better, not just more.

[Zairava]

Feedback from the same 30 people on the forums isn't important. You aren't important. Play a different game, it's not for you anymore.

People even outside the forums have been providing the same feedback and complaints, and not a small amount either.

People like you are the reason Blizzard did irreparable damage to the playerbase during Shadowlands. Get a grip.

[Rolder50]

Feedback from the same 30 people on the forums isn't important. You aren't important. Play a different game, it's not for you anymore.

I think it's time to break out the words of Yoshi-P himself,



Particularly, point number 3 on there. Source: https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1020179/Behind-the-Realm

[EdwinChucklenuts]

Ah I always love the doomsday posts. The vocal minority is always, well, so vocal. I truly wish there were as many discontents as the forums and the ole YouTubes would suggest that way when this expac does drop I don't have to wait in a multiple hundred player queue and everyone can happily play the other games that are so much better. Maybe the whole Chris Metzen nostalgia presentation thing will bring all the WoW kiddies back to their corner of the playground.

Just to throw in my two cents and where I stand as a player, I like to just come back every now and then and do whatever's new, maybe start working on an alt job or a glamour or something to fill out the time. Honestly the game could stagnate now and I'd still have tons of content to chew through for years to come, some people play 50 - 100 hour single player rpgs multiple times and are just dandy. I've put about 1.5k hours in according to Steam, and I've beaten EW and gotten 3 jobs to 90. I've only barely scratched the surface, maybe I need to double my time before I start feeling this burnout everyone is getting, but at that point why not do the famously quoted thing of just leaving and coming back when you get that itch? If you try to nolife everything you're going to run out of stuff to do way fast.

But anyway, even if this expansion is just more MSQ and the same formulas and stuff, that'd be cool with me. I like what we have now, and at least at my level of play, I don't really understand what is so different now than, say, in Stormblood. Hell, I mained MCH during Shadowbringers and apparently that class wasn't meta, or something? Either way, I enjoyed it. I'm sincerely cool with just more MSQ, dungeons, raids, and most importantly glamours. Some new beast tribes, mounts, yada yada. Just more content on the pre-established thing would be excellent. I kind of hate the Eureka and Bozja systems even though those seemed to be beloved, felt like a grind within a grind for me personally.

Either way just wanted to throw out my two cents, been a long time lurker but a first time caller but wanted to kind of offer some different views in the echo chamber I've noticed this forum become.

[Calysto]

Ah I always love the doomsday posts. The vocal minority is always, well, so vocal.

Why do people assume the "silent majority" is perfectly happy when they are in fact, just silent.
The "vocal minority" of the "this is fine" group claim the high ground with the support of countless accounts that surely agree with them. Being outnumbered by vocal people with other opinions means nothing.

The forum being an echo chamber is a problem because it's the only thing the feedback we give do here : echoes into nothing.

[Ascended_Demon]

For those who can't/don't want to watch the video, here's a bulleted list. °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°
(Important note: this is based off of Arthars' translation of the video)

Some of this makes me go, yikes, and some of it I agree with.

•He thinks they should add more Frontlines maps. Going back to his thought that this game isn't for min-maxing, he thinks Frontlines suits XIV's community perfectly because it's suppose to be a more fun and casual then Crystalline Conflict. If it were up to him, he would want to balance PvP more on Frontlines then CC.

Yeah I'm honestly sick of CC and a lot of PvP abilities really show they were not balanced for frontline *cough* Astro bomb.

•Because he had little-to-no expectation for it, he doesn't think Island Sanctuary was that bad. He doesn't really plan anything on his island and gathers random mats. He thinks the UI is bad though.

Yeah well so did I. At some point any expectations I had for IS faded away, I knew it wasn't going to be what most were hoping for (instanced housing). I enjoyed it at first and actually had a good time, now I find it to be a drag and the very idea that they're thinking of doing this again makes me go "please don't". I enjoyed most of the glamours, until this latest patch where we got the furball costume and Target employee.

•He thinks the dev team need to finish Hrothgar females and not add any more new races, instead using that time to add more facial features and cosmetics. He thinks this will increase Fantasia sales even more.

Agree that female hrothgar should be finished before we even consider any new races. Also agree that we should just have more options for pre-existing races instead. Still dislike how midlanders get 6-7 face options and the rest are stuck with four. Dislike the reasoning given but hey they work in a business so what's new.

•He also suggest to Yoshi-P, seeing as so few mogstation glamour pieces are being released due to Yoshi-P wanting to release items as sets, they should instead just release individual, stand-alone items. He also thinks they should spread out mogstation items releases. As it is now, a bunch of items are released after a few months, he thinks something like a few items released once a month would be better.

Point blank, do not like this. I already feel we get too much on the cash shop, we do not need more even if it is "technically" the same amount just in staggered, smaller releases. It'll only serve to make them charge more.

•He also thinks there should be more regional-exclusive mogstation items. As it is now, other then the items created for the Chinese and Korean servers, the dev team designs mogstation items with global appeal and application in mind.

Dislike the previous, hate this. Regional exclusive stuff in a game that allows cross-region play is asinine. I know this isn't unheard of but that does not mean I have to think it's a good idea just because other companies do it already. Also, if they're only going for "global" appeal, why do we get cultural specific stuff on the store? Those might appeal more to people who hail from that culture.

•He has spies through out the different types and tiers of gameplay that collect player feedback for him. The current consensus he's been getting is that people want to play the game but the patches are too long and don't have enough new things to do. He agrees with this sentiment but points out that the CH server is lucky because they pay per playtime and only have to pay for retainers once vs the rest of the world's monthly sub.

I, hmm. Interesting method of collecting feedback. Honestly no comment on subscription payments or anything.

I'm not going all doomer here but really it is looking that to most the game isn't really "dying" as people say, it's "stagnating" which could lead to a gradual death so in a sense they aren't entirely wrong. Sure, numbers are up but if player retention is decreasing is that not also a problem? I think it's kind of disappointing we didn't even get a trial series this expansion. All the trials were MSQ. I know ARR was pretty much the same but still, disappointing. Also, it's kind of interesting to note that I feel like I'm still seeing more people talking about the main 6.0 story rather than much of anything about what's been going on the patches. The void storyline was kinda meh, but I guess after facing something that threatened all of creation whatever else after that would naturally pale in comparison.

Maybe my experience with Shadowbringers is naturally colored by the fact that I started with that expansion so therefore I "technically" had more to do seeing as I had yet to level all my jobs and do most of the old content. Since I've leveled all of them to cap both then and now, any subsequent leveling is almost nothing. I don't particularly feel driven to do savage or many extremes, so yeah I don't have as much to do as people who do raid. But, still, even after having leveled all my jobs in ShB and caught up with all the older content, I still felt I had plenty that I wanted to do. Now I just, don't particularly feel like doing much, just try to shake up my gameplay by trying to play jobs I've wanted to but haven't really for one reason or another.

[Volgia]

Why do people assume the "silent majority" is perfectly happy when they are in fact, just silent.
The "vocal minority" of the "this is fine" group claim the high ground with the support of countless accounts that surely agree with them. Being outnumbered by vocal people with other opinions means nothing.

The forum being an echo chamber is a problem because it's the only thing the feedback we give do here : echoes into nothing.

I don't see the echo chamber anywhere honestly. We have people arguing the same points, feeling that the game is fine as is, vs people who don't like how some of it is changed.

The vitriolic "This is fine" group are what I feel toxic casual players. They're the ones constantly implying that people who like hardcore stuff or who like to grind and spend sometime in the game are unbathed animals who need to touch grass. Not all casual players argue this way, but there definetly a "vocal minority" who do.

[samsaraSaber]

to be brutally honest here i don't think yoshi want the older player to stay what so ever. he be happy to make this in to a solo game and call it a day. he don't want to make the half finished or bugged or not that great systems better. this will make the team really work and they don have to now. people pay for what there now and will defend it to death as well. why work more? the reason he can do it is that there was no good new MMO in over 10 years now. like where you go to? WOW?

[ty_taurus]

Feedback from the same 30 people on the forums isn't important. You aren't important. Play a different game, it's not for you anymore.

Coming from you, that pretty hilarious.

[OgruMogru]

to be brutally honest here i don't think yoshi want the older player to stay what so ever. he be happy to make this in to a solo game and call it a day. he don't want to make the half finished or bugged or not that great systems better. this will make the team really work and they don have to now. people pay for what there now and will defend it to death as well. why work more? the reason he can do it is that there was no good new MMO in over 10 years now. like where you go to? WOW?

Back to GW1. Servers are busy, people are friendly and it seems lots of people are returning and desperately trying to clear their inventories so the economy's popping!

[Rolder50]

to be brutally honest here i don't think yoshi want the older player to stay what so ever. he be happy to make this in to a solo game and call it a day. he don't want to make the half finished or bugged or not that great systems better. this will make the team really work and they don have to now. people pay for what there now and will defend it to death as well. why work more? the reason he can do it is that there was no good new MMO in over 10 years now. like where you go to? WOW?

WoW is doing pretty good lately though. Dragonflight has been well received and they have the whole season of discovery coming up with the classic servers here soon.

Carbot summed it up well with this animation, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INc1M9acshI