Please put raid tokens and ex totems in the currency tab

[Rongway]

There are too many raid tokens and ex totems to just move them all over to the Currency tab. In their current state, they add no additional storage requirements to the character database because they are just items. If they were moved to the Currency tab the size of character data would increase quite a bit. If they want to add them to the Currency tab they're going to have to reduce the number of tokens and give older expansions' tokens the Poetics treatment. I described such an implementation a couple years ago in the UI forum:

This would be a sensible change if totems were not effectively one-and-done currencies. But they don't have enough longevity to warrant a place in the permanent currency structures. The beast tribe currencies aren't really worth the data either, I think, but at least some of those are used on things like dyes.

It might be okay to currency just the totems for the current expansion's trials, but then they'd have to decide if they should be converted back to items or into something like a general all-old-trials currency when the next expansion comes out.

If we converted all the old beast tribes to an all-beast-tribe currency then we could have space in the currency structure to have all of the current expansion's beast tribes and current extreme trials. Just check for the appropriate reputation level for a given tribe vendor before allowing someone to spend universal beast currency at that vendor. As the beast tribes are entirely personal activities, this would not have a notable effect on beast tribe activities within the community. The worst thing that could happen would be that someone would be able to buy 4 times as much of one specific tribe's dye daily as they could now, but I mean if someone really wants that much of one specific dye for their glamour let them buy it.

Unfortunately, the effect a universal old-extreme currency would have an on the extreme trials that people run would be measurably larger; namely, people would spam HW extremes for currency to spend on the most recent old expansion trials. I'm personally not too torn up about this, as by the next expansion those mounts aren't super exclusive anymore anyway. However, I'd bet the devs would disagree because they want people to continue to have a reason to run all the extremes instead of just the HW ones. Of course, ARR trials don't currently drop totems, and HW trials might as well not drop any if they're going to continue to be easy after the stat squish. So maybe something like this would work with minimal objections:

1. Convert all ARR, HW, SB, ShB beast tribe currencies to a universal beast tribe currency. Require people to have a certain reputation with a tribe before they can spend universal currency on that tribe's items.
2. Remove totems from ARR, HW, and SB entirely, as they should be easy enough to farm for outright mount drops at cap.
3. Convert ShB totems to a ShB-wide extreme currency. Require someone to have completed a particular trial once before you can buy items from that trial using the extreme currency.
4. Make EW totems and beast tribe tokens individual specific currencies.
5. When 7.0 comes out, convert EW extreme currencies into a single EW-extreme currency and convert EW beast tribe currencies into universal beast tribe currency. Delete ShB-extreme currency.
6. Make 7.x totems and beast tribe tokens individual specific currencies.
7. When 8.0 comes out, convert 7.0 extreme currencies into a single 7.x-extreme currency and convert 7.x beast tribe currencies into universal beast tribe currency. Delete EW-extreme currency.
8. Make 8.x totems and beast tribe tokens individual specific currencies.
9. etc...

That way only the current expansion uses individual currencies for its beast tribes and extremes, all old beast tribes use a single currency, and the previous expansion uses a single extreme currency for all its trials. We shouldn't really need tokens for trials two expansions ago, because they will be easy enough to unsync and the drop rates will be high enough that we don't have to do them a million times.

The current Tribal currency tab tracks 14 beast tribe currencies. With these changes, it would track 1 universal old beast tribe currency, 3 current expansion beast tribe currencies, 1 recent expansion extreme currency, and 7 current expansion trial-specific extreme currencies, for a total of 12 currencies, and thus a reduction of currency data. Further, the tribal and extreme currencies would never expand beyond this because the recent expansion's beast tribes get absorbed into the one universal beast tribe currency and the recent expansion's extremes become a single currency replacing the previous-recent currency. People would continue to run super old extreme trials for outright mount drops, which should be fine with increased drop rates, and they would continue to run the recent expansion's extreme trials for that expansion's currency, even if they only need to clear each fight once to unlock each fight's shop. And finally the current expansion extremes would function as they do now, requiring each fight be run for that fight's specific currency. So all the expansions' fights would still get run.

[Toutatis]

There are too many raid tokens and ex totems to just move them all over to the Currency tab. In their current state, they add no additional storage requirements to the character database because they are just items. If they were moved to the Currency tab the size of character data would increase quite a bit. If they want to add them to the Currency tab they're going to have to reduce the number of tokens and give older expansions' tokens the Poetics treatment. I described such an implementation a couple years ago in the UI forum:

... If we converted all the old beast tribes to an all-beast-tribe currency then we could have space in the currency structure to have all of the current expansion's beast tribes and current extreme trials...

And crash the market on dyes and crafted ex weapons + remove all incentives to join a pf? No thank you. System is fine as it is (I agree on the currency tab: it would be a huge mess given how many totems and books exist). People just need make decisions, stop hoarding useless stuff and be more focused.

[Cidel]

Needless inventory clutter, you say?



/wringhands

[RitsukoSonoda]

And crash the market on dyes and crafted ex weapons + remove all incentives to join a pf? No thank you. System is fine as it is (I agree on the currency tab: it would be a huge mess given how many totems and books exist). People just need make decisions, stop hoarding useless stuff and be more focused.

Some of us are old school single player RPG players who have always hoarded 50 stacks of healing items and consumables along with backup and situational gear just in case we need it at some point... Even though we made it a point to find ways to not use it when it would have been useful... :P

[Rongway]

And crash the market on dyes and crafted ex weapons + remove all incentives to join a pf? No thank you.

I addressed both of those in my original post.

In re: dyes, it doesn't really bother me at all? There's still a daily limit on tribal quests, so at best it'll increase acquisition of some very specific dyes by 4x. I'll take that over wasting currency data on currencies I'll never farm again, because as it stands you can't really farm more than four of the many currencies at a time anyway.

In re: incentives to do the content, my suggestion removes totems entirely for everything two expansions back or older, so if people want things from that far back, they have to farm them outright. Only extremes one expansion back would have a unified currency, and people would still have to complete each one once, so at worst it funnels people into whichever Ex is "the easiest" if all they want is totems, but this is balanced against the the lost opportunity to win immediate drops outright by doing the Ex they actually want items from. You can do MC.Ex 99 times for the R.Ex mount or you can just farm R.Ex and get it in maybe 10 pulls.