Housing needs to be account based

[Vandso]

tbh i kinda have to agree. if housing is THAT important to you, there is plenty of housing available on different worlds. So, if you really REALLY want one, transfer?

I did this. I went to Dynamis and bought a house. But there's nothing else there so I went back to Primal.

[Jojoya]

I find it really hard for Yoshi-P to decide to implement our so desired instanced housing in this game, I mean, you would have to demolish every personal house, every FC house, every venue, people would get mad af. But account based housing, yeah that's easy to do. The only ones who will complain are the ones who have multiple houses, which are the source of all these problems already.

Also this game needs more account wide stuff. Mogstation and seasonal items, achievements, MSQ, all that should be account wide.

Btw Lakeland residential district when?

What problem? I just bought another house last week (personal Goblet small) on Maduin. It was one house out of several hundred still available, including several mediums and a couple of larges.

Like real life, if you really want a house and can't get one where you currently live then you need to go where they're available. If you and others who claim they want a house won't, then there are others who will even if they already have houses.

Regarding account wide stuff, I'd agree about Mogstation items since they're a real money purchase. Achievements, MSQ, etc.? Nope. You can do it all on a single character so if you want those things on additional characters, play the content on that character.

I did this. I went to Dynamis and bought a house. But there's nothing else there so I went back to Primal.

There are a lot of things on Dynamis for those who aren't lazy and expecting convenience to be handed to them on a silver platter.

If the characters that had Dynamis for their home data center stayed on Dynamis instead of running off to one of the other data centers , queues would be active. The average active level 90 character population on Dynamis worlds is already higher than it is on the JP worlds per the latest LB census.

I rather wish that SE would turn off data center travel for a month and force characters back to their home worlds for the duration. If players had to interact with their home communities for a bit, most would probably see them in a different light.

but I wouldn't abandon my friends, my FC or my crystal pvp rank just to get a house.

Then the truth is that you're really not that interested in having a house so why complain?

Also, friends don't stop being friends just because you move. A good FC still includes former members that left on good terms in activities.

[LilimoLimomo]

Then the truth is that you're really not that interested in having a house so why complain?

Overall I tend to like your thoughtful posts, Jojoya, so I wanted to keep you honest on this one. Life often presents us with situations where we can't get everything we want, and sometimes we have to make choices between which of two things that are important to us is more important. Choosing Thing A over Thing B doesn't in any way demonstrate an objective lack of interest in Thing B; it simply shows which one was rated higher relative to the other.

I know people who have had to choose between having a roof over their head and taking care of a lifelong pet. To suggest that a person "isn't really interested" in whichever one they give up would be both inaccurate and needlessly cruel.

[ChrysOCE]

Overall I tend to like your thoughtful posts, Jojoya, so I wanted to keep you honest on this one. Life often presents us with situations where we can't get everything we want, and sometimes we have to make choices between which of two things that are important to us is more important. Choosing Thing A over Thing B doesn't in any way demonstrate an objective lack of interest in Thing B; it simply shows which one was rated higher relative to the other.

I know people who have had to choose between having a roof over their head and taking care of a lifelong pet. To suggest that a person "isn't really interested" in whichever one they give up would be both inaccurate and needlessly cruel.

I would agree with that IRL. But in a video game, no, not at all and I think it's pretty clear, Jojoya is talking about this situation specifically.
They have a choice of being on a world with plenty of housing available (they even HAD a house and chose to give it up and move back to Primal!). They also have a choice in picking up a house in a "less desirable" residential district. If they care about having a house, that badly, they would either pick up a Goblet house or move to a world that has housing available.
Edit: misread the initial quote. Still, I would assume that is just misspoken, about real life just moving somewhere else. Anyway, in game - they are right.

[LilimoLimomo]

I would agree with that IRL. But in a video game, no, not at all and I think it's pretty clear, Jojoya is talking about this situation specifically.
They have a choice of being on a world with plenty of housing available (they even HAD a house and chose to give it up and move back to Primal!). They also have a choice in picking up a house in a "less desirable" residential district. If they care about having a house, that badly, they would either pick up a Goblet house or move to a world that has housing available.
Edit: misread the initial quote. Still, I would assume that is just misspoken, about real life just moving somewhere else. Anyway, in game - they are right.

Human desires work exactly the same inside and outside of video games; stuff in games generally feels less important to us than real life stuff, but they're all being processed in the same system in our grey matter. If I saved up for years and only have enough gil to buy Glam A or Glam B, it's possible to want them both almost equally, and choosing one over the other doesn't demonstrate that I'm "not really that interested" in the other. To assume otherwise is to operate in bad faith, because that's simply not how making hard choices works.

[ChrysOCE]

Human desires work exactly the same inside and outside of video games; stuff in games generally feels less important to us than real life stuff, but they're all being processed in the same system in our grey matter. If I saved up for years and only have enough gil to buy Glam A or Glam B, it's possible to want them both almost equally, and choosing one over the other doesn't demonstrate that I'm "not really that interested" in the other. To assume otherwise is to operate in bad faith, because that's simply not how making hard choices works.

It is when it comes to housing, in FFXIV. If housing is that important, you will take whatever house you have available, whatever residential district it is. If there is no housing, but it is that important, you will move worlds to obtain one. And, again, they HAD a house and decided to move back to Primal and available housing in Goblet isn't wanted. There's no impossible choice there, comparable to IRL.

[LilimoLimomo]

It is when it comes to housing, in FFXIV. If housing is that important, you will take whatever house you have available, whatever residential district it is. If there is no housing, but it is that important, you will move worlds to obtain one.

I don't even think you realize it, but you're moving the goal posts. I'm saying this:

We can't always get what we want, so sometimes we have to choose between two things that are both important to us. Choosing Thing A over Thing B doesn't in any way demonstrate an objective lack of interest in Thing B; it simply demonstrates which one was rated higher relative to the other.

But you are talking about something meaningfully different. You are comparing "how much they want the house" to some threshold of importance that you refer to as "that important".

To clarify the difference, we can convert this into simple math. I'm saying:

The statement of inequality A > B does not tell you anything about the magnitude of either A or B, save that A's magnitude is greater than B's magnitude.

You are trying to disprove my statement by saying:

B < T, where T has a value of "That Important"

I hope you can see how that doesn't have any bearing on what I'm saying.

[Reinha]

sometimes we have to make choices between which of two things that are important to us is more important. Choosing Thing A over Thing B doesn't in any way demonstrate an objective lack of interest in Thing B; it simply shows which one was rated higher relative to the other.

OP chooses to keep 3 million gil instead of buying a small Goblet plot on his own server. The unwillingness to pay the cost of a house, at least to me, signifies a lack of interest in owning a house.

maybe a lot of us could stand to lose some of our houses.

Why? Nobody else wants those houses. OP doesn't want a house on his server and many other people don't want a house in fc wards, EU, Oceania or Dynamis. What would freeing up more plots in those places accomplish?

[LilimoLimomo]

OP chooses to keep 3 million gil instead of buying a small Goblet plot on his own server. The unwillingness to pay the cost of a house, at least to me, signifies a lack of interest in owning a house.

100% agreed! You have made a good argument that makes a sound connection between the premises and the conclusion, unlike the specific argument I was criticizing.