Please make Dark Missionary a level 70 ability

[TomsYoungerBro]

Having all tanks learn the same things around all the level brackets makes for a boring levelling experience.

DRK got Stalwart Soul at 6.0 down to Lv40 because it was a decent streamlining of gameplay, making using Flood of Darkness / Shadow in AOE not a slog and far more accessible.

Clearly there are some things that can be learned at the same level though, right? Seems like you were ok with Stalwart soul being moved to account for that. No reason other abilities can't be given the same treatment.

-Paladin their dash and possibly even their HP recovery on using damaging spells at low levels because they need it and other tanks have it

Well i don't play paladin. Paladin is the only one with spells in their rotation, so not sure if that is actually a good idea or not (i know you are being sarcastic). Gap closer at a lower level makes sense though!

-Warrior Nascent Flash because they are kind of just a Holmgang bot and can't give anything to their co-tank, so they need it and because other tanks have it

Yes, actually

-Gunbreaker Fated Circle at Lv70 so they can finally use AOE spenders, which they totally need at that level to inflate their already way too high damage on UcoB adds and because other tanks have it

Pretty sure this is not a universal tank thing. Warrior and DRK have it sure (because WAR is just DRK with less buttons).

You make up for it for frequent access of TBN.

-give all other tanks their Lv82 mitigation upgrade to achieve parity with TBN's power because they clearly need it

You are very heavily overrating TBN. TBN has a huge downside of requiring 3000 MP to use. If it does not pop, it is a damage loss. This means you will not be using it every 15 seconds. You will actually be using it less than all the other unique tank mits in most scenarios. To say the lv82 mitigation upgraded those to parity with TBN's power is absurd. DRK's also got "oblation" which was essentially the buff to TBN.

We can go on and on about how much you are "griefing your party" for playing Dark Knight, but at the end of the day you absolutely do not need it because there is enough mitigation as is and lacking one will not make the fight unclearable.

Strawman argument. No one is saying the fights are unclearable as DRK. People cleared them on Dark Knight on release and currently.

[Tlachtga]

Nah, its absolutely paramount that DRK gets their raid shield in Qitana Ravel, and no earlier.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

[1]Clearly there are some things that can be learned at the same level though, right? Seems like you were ok with Stalwart soul being moved to account for that. No reason other abilities can't be given the same treatment.
[2] Well i don't play paladin. Paladin is the only one with spells in their rotation, so not sure if that is actually a good idea or not (i know you are being sarcastic). Gap closer at a lower level makes sense though!
[3] Yes, actually
[4] Pretty sure this is not a universal tank thing. Warrior and DRK have it sure (because WAR is just DRK with less buttons).
[5] You are very heavily overrating TBN. TBN has a huge downside of requiring 3000 MP to use. If it does not pop, it is a damage loss. This means you will not be using it every 15 seconds. You will actually be using it less than all the other unique tank mits in most scenarios. To say the lv82 mitigation upgraded those to parity with TBN's power is absurd. DRK's also got "oblation" which was essentially the buff to TBN.
[6] Strawman argument. No one is saying the fights are unclearable as DRK. People cleared them on Dark Knight on release and currently.

[1] Stalwart Soul is a gameplay flow-changing skill that breaks AOE monotony that got introduced since Shadowbringers and was a "sold solution" for a problem that was created based on how they butchered DRK. Dark Missionary is an extra cooldown to mitigate damage. While I get your points of wanting it at Lv70 so all tanks have parity, it is not comparable in a gameplay sense.

[2] Spells are still just GCDs. What I refer here is mainly the Lv84 trait of offensive spell healing. I am half-sarcastic, if its any consolation but I don't see the need for it at that level, same with the dashes. They are a nice touch, but I don't actively miss the dash nor do I think there needs to be parity for Paladin here.

[3] Agree to disagree, I'd think it would be massive overkill for Warrior at that level.

[4] Fair enough, I forgot Paladin has yet to have it at that level. (moving Fated Circle lower "is" a fairly common request I see)

[5] While I may be overrating the power of TBN, you are equally overrating the downsides of TBN. 3000 MP to use simply means you have to pool your MP accordingly and you plan on using TBN where you know it will break - which is either busters or strings of auto attacks (min.2, max any) to mitigate fluff. If someone fails to make it pop, that is their issue to figure out and does not diminish the power of TBN, it is just a risk. Frankly I have been using TBN very close to the 15s mark in ultimates if not on the 15s marks - not everywhere, but I had enough situations where the 15s CD benefitted me.

TBN overall is a stronger cooldown than Sheltron and Heart of Stone, Raw Intuition maybe pulls ahead due to the sustain aspect. Lv82 upgrades put them ahead and Oblation is the "parity" here to put them roughly on equal spots, at that point it would depend "what" you are using them for and how frequently to get the best value out of them.

[6] Fair enough. I personally simply see no need for Dark Missionary at Lv70 then other than streamlining the levelling experience for all tanks (which can be considered boring)


Out of the box comment - I hate what they did to Lv70 tanks by making Gunbreaker the "I have everything" tank and honestly kinda wish Gunbreaker didn't have Heart of Light at that level because I feel like this is the main catalyst for why the expectation for DRK to have theirs moved lower exists...

[TaleraRistain]

PLD is the only one who gets something at 70, Passage of Arms. They also have Divine Veil at 56.
WAR gets Shake It Off at 68
GNB gets Heart of Light at 64

I don't think asking DRK to get Dark Missionary at 70 is a big ask. There's still the difference among other tanks in regards to when they get party mitigation.

[TomsYoungerBro]

TBN overall is a stronger cooldown than Sheltron and Heart of Stone, Raw Intuition maybe pulls ahead due to the sustain aspect. Lv82 upgrades put them ahead and Oblation is the "parity" here to put them roughly on equal spots, at that point it would depend "what" you are using them for and how frequently to get the best value out of them.

Heart of Corundum and Bloodwhetting run laps around TBN + oblation, so I would not even put parity in quotations on that one xD. TBN is good comparatively to the other tank mits pre-level 82 changes, but it definitely doesn't give near enough benefit to not have any AoE mitigation. Paladin also has 2 AoE mits here, so Sheltron + 2 AoE mits well outweighs TBN.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree on Dark missionary.