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  1. #51
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    Vivian Rysto
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    Unless you're playing 40 characters, I recommend swapping to the Entry Level version of the sub.
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  2. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stasya View Post
    The amount of content devs put for every major patch (~4 months) does not justify sub pricing model at all. You know where all the money go aswell .... to side projects ....
    Something a lot of people seems to forget when talking about subs, is that servers are a thing that need to be maintained. I'm talking about the actual, physical servers.

    That's what the sub fee goes to. You get access to log in, and in return, the servers are kept in good conditions.

    Also, OP, you're ignoring the budget increase it's noticeable. You can see it on more elaborated cutscenes and visuals in general (like the upcoming graphics update). You hear it in the gradual increase in voiced cutscenes from HW to EW.

    The budget doesn't go to development alone, it goes to a lot of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midare View Post

    That's what the sub fee goes to. You get access to log in, and in return, the servers are kept in good conditions.
    So F2P games don't have servers? Ah, I see that's why they have a cash shop. Okay, so why does XIV have a cash shop and a sub and expansion costs? Because they are greedy. It is what it is. But at least people should be honest about it.
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  4. #54
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    Due to inflation, we have already had a price decrease in the equivalent of $4.50 as what was $15.00 back then is now the equivalent of $19.50 in today's money but were still paying $15.00.
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  5. #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperia View Post
    Due to inflation, we have already had a price decrease in the equivalent of $4.50 as what was $15.00 back then is now the equivalent of $19.50 in today's money but were still paying $15.00.
    And I'm sure every player's salary/purchasing power has increased at the same rate as inflation...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midare View Post
    That's what the sub fee goes to. You get access to log in, and in return, the servers are kept in good conditions.
    All the NA servers were in poor condition a few nights ago actually...


    Just a shot from a big thread that was up on the main FFXIV subreddit before anyone decides to call me a liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    So F2P games don't have servers? Ah, I see that's why they have a cash shop. Okay, so why does XIV have a cash shop and a sub and expansion costs? Because they are greedy. It is what it is. But at least people should be honest about it.
    The FFXIV cash shop is essentially cosmetic. When you get a sub, you get full access to the game features. I abandoned all the f2p games I tried to play as you are practically forced to purchase several items, some regularly, to make the game playable. It’s f2p only in name unless you don’t mind a seriously gimped gaming experience. I prefer to pay a fixed amount and not have to bother with micro transactions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperia View Post
    Due to inflation, we have already had a price decrease in the equivalent of $4.50 as what was $15.00 back then is now the equivalent of $19.50 in today's money but were still payingt $15.00.
    That doesn’t take into account currency fluctuations for all the non US players forced to pay in USD. In my case, because of that, I pay way more than what it would be with just inflation.
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    Last edited by Toutatis; 11-06-2023 at 02:23 AM.

  8. #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    All the NA servers were in poor condition a few nights ago actually...


    Just a shot from a big thread that was up on the main FFXIV subreddit before anyone decides to call me a liar.

    That's not the servers though, that's the network outside them lol.


    That is XIV up website is also not a great indicator because it just pings the servers from where it's located. If the bad network node is in its path, it's going to show problems. Meanwhile, people who's path doesn't take that node will have zero issues.





    We had raid the night those issues were reported, and no one in my group had issues. I have someone in Orlando, 2 in Ohio, 1 near Chicago, one near Detroit, one in Oklahoma, and I'm near Seattle.
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    Last edited by Valkyrie_Lenneth; 11-06-2023 at 02:13 AM.

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    with the amount and quality of content we got in endwalker the game should have been sub free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    So F2P games don't have servers? Ah, I see that's why they have a cash shop. Okay, so why does XIV have a cash shop and a sub and expansion costs? Because they are greedy. It is what it is. But at least people should be honest about it.
    Cash Shop is almost all cosmetics with a few story and job skips (which doesnt serve much anyway). There's no purchase in-game premium currency which is why they're allowed to sell mostly cosmetics in a sub model. F2P means Pay to Win.
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