Criterion savage rewards still suck

[ErryK]

they locked a blue mage weapon behind savage criterion... which you can't do as blue mage. lol.

[sindriiisgaming]

they locked a blue mage weapon behind savage criterion... which you can't do as blue mage. lol.

wait what????

[ErryK]

wait what????

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...m/582f168f431/

[EgilTheStressedMage]

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...m/582f168f431/

Oh that has to be spite.

[yoshinoharu]

I completely agree that the rewards suck. I mean let's break it down:

If the weapons have different stat spreads, then I see the point as you now may have horizontal progression in terms of the stat spread (e.g. one weapon has crit/dh, the other has crit/det) or might have to get the criterion weapon in order to get a true bis (e.g. savage weapon has dh/crit while criterion has crit/det)

HOWEVER. If they just have the same stat spread you can only really identify a few people that this might be for.

PF Players with Bad RNG
This is probably the only type of player this might be good for. Since loot is individualized in Criterion Savage, if they don't already have their weapon by the time Criterion Savage comes out but is good enough to clear the tier, it's a good idea to just try to plow through Criterion Savage.

That being said, if they are good enough to clear the tier, it is highly likely that this type of player will have already cleared 8 times and just bought a weapon with books by the time Criterion Savage comes out.

Players that are not able to clear Savage
Criterion Savage demands that you do mechanics correctly for 20 minute straight as you do not have any type of res. A lot of players in this racket have trouble staying concentrated and consistent for 8 minutes, much less 20.

I mean no offense to these players, as everyone, no matter how skilled, has likely been here, but it just isn't likely that someone that cannot clear the current tier will be able to clear Criterion Savage.

Players Trying to Gear Multiple Jobs
This is actually the category that I myself fall under.

There are 7 different gear sets and 5 jewelry sets in the game. Taking an average of every job needing a chest/leg piece, 2 other leftside pieces, and being generous and saying that each job requires 2 jewelry pieces on right side, that's still 38 weeks of tomes.

Tome weapons are 500 a piece, so it's stupid to think that players like me might actually utilize this.


Who does that leave?

Honestly, the only type of player that leaves is someone who is:

• Strong enough to clear the tier
• Is not in a static
• Has suffered terrible RNG in PF
• Only plays one or two roles, granting them the tome economy to actually buy the weapons.
• Possibly already bought the augmented tome weapon due to previously mentioned RNG

Which is an INCREDIBLY narrow list of players. All in all, I think this decision was EXTREMELY short-sighted of SE. Which I'm afraid has been a common trend in their design when it comes to this game as of the past year.

[Amh_Wilzuun]

I completely agree that the rewards suck. I mean let's break it down:

If the weapons have different stat spreads, then I see the point as you now may have horizontal progression in terms of the stat spread (e.g. one weapon has crit/dh, the other has crit/det) or might have to get the criterion weapon in order to get a true bis (e.g. savage weapon has dh/crit while criterion has crit/det)

HOWEVER. If they just have the same stat spread you can only really identify a few people that this might be for.

PF Players with Bad RNG
This is probably the only type of player this might be good for. Since loot is individualized in Criterion Savage, if they don't already have their weapon by the time Criterion Savage comes out but is good enough to clear the tier, it's a good idea to just try to plow through Criterion Savage.

That being said, if they are good enough to clear the tier, it is highly likely that this type of player will have already cleared 8 times and just bought a weapon with books by the time Criterion Savage comes out.

Players that are not able to clear Savage
Criterion Savage demands that you do mechanics correctly for 20 minute straight as you do not have any type of res. A lot of players in this racket have trouble staying concentrated and consistent for 8 minutes, much less 20.

I mean no offense to these players, as everyone, no matter how skilled, has likely been here, but it just isn't likely that someone that cannot clear the current tier will be able to clear Criterion Savage.

Players Trying to Gear Multiple Jobs
This is actually the category that I myself fall under.

There are 7 different gear sets and 5 jewelry sets in the game. Taking an average of every job needing a chest/leg piece, 2 other leftside pieces, and being generous and saying that each job requires 2 jewelry pieces on right side, that's still 38 weeks of tomes.

Tome weapons are 500 a piece, so it's stupid to think that players like me might actually utilize this.


Who does that leave?

Honestly, the only type of player that leaves is someone who is:

• Strong enough to clear the tier
• Is not in a static
• Has suffered terrible RNG in PF
• Only plays one or two roles, granting them the tome economy to actually buy the weapons.
• Possibly already bought the augmented tome weapon due to previously mentioned RNG

Which is an INCREDIBLY narrow list of players. All in all, I think this decision was EXTREMELY short-sighted of SE. Which I'm afraid has been a common trend in their design when it comes to this game as of the past year.

You are leaving out one of the most significant groups which is people who will want to clear it for the weapon glam

Also some people are gated by time commitment/schedule as why they didn’t clear the savage tier rather than their skill at the game. I’m theory criterion savage should be lower commitment

[yoshinoharu]

You are leaving out one of the most significant groups which is people who will want to clear it for the weapon glam

Is there an appearance difference between augmented tome and 665 tome? If that's the case, then sure, but anyone who just wants it for glamour already has a dyable version without having to get the drop from criterion saavage.

[gem5]

You are leaving out one of the most significant groups which is people who will want to clear it for the weapon glam

Also some people are gated by time commitment/schedule as why they didn’t clear the savage tier rather than their skill at the game. I’m theory criterion savage should be lower commitment

It is lower commitment. The criterion normal should take less than 6h (1 + 2 + 3 per boss) to prog after watching a guide with decent teammates and c.savage has the same boss mechs.

However even these glowy weapons do not appeal to *me* a lot, and *probably* to a lot of people who cleared ultimates. IMO they look more like EX weapons and just not on the same level as ultimates. I just use ult weapons for every job except for BLU(only used during certain moogle events) and SCH (imo Eureka pyros butterfly stomps all). If I ever decide to do c.savage it's just gonna be for collecting purpose. Those weapons will surely be just sitting in my retainer or my glam box.

Just my 2 cents and prediction: people who do/*farm* it *multiple times* for glam are gonna be mostly collectors, who probably also have the ishgard restoration mount; and people who are good enough to clear EX/savage but not ults, and care to spend time on c.savage. The 2nd group of people imo won't be a large group because glam people probably already cleared ults anyway. I do believe some ult players will still clear it for achievements but my point is *farming* it, which is what SE is shooting for anyway. In other words, I do believe the content will be quite dead just like the previous c.savages/normals but who knows for sure? Only time will tell.

[yoshinoharu]

I completely agree that the rewards suck. I mean let's break it down:

If the weapons have different stat spreads, then I see the point as you now may have horizontal progression in terms of the stat spread or might have to get the criterion weapon in order to get a true bis.

HOWEVER. If they just have the same stat spread you can only really identify a few people that this might be for.

PF Players with Bad RNG
This is probably the only type of player this might be good for. Since loot is individualized in Criterion Savage, if they don't already have their weapon by the time Criterion Savage comes out but is good enough to clear the tier, it's a good idea to just try to plow through Criterion Savage.

That being said, if they are good enough to clear the tier, it is highly likely that this type of player will have already cleared 8 times and just bought a weapon with books by the time Criterion Savage comes out.

Players that are not able to clear Savage
Criterion Savage demands that you do mechanics correctly for 20 minute straight as you do not have any type of res. A lot of players in this racket have trouble staying concentrated and consistent for 8 minutes, much less 20.

I mean no offense to these players, as everyone, no matter how skilled, has likely been here, but it just isn't likely that someone that cannot clear the current tier will be able to clear Criterion Savage.

Players Trying to Gear Multiple Jobs
This is actually the category that I myself fall under.

There are 7 different gear sets and 5 jewelry sets in the game. Taking an average of every job needing a chest/leg piece, 2 other leftside pieces, and being generous and saying that each job requires 2 jewelry pieces on right side, that's still 38 weeks of tomes.

Tome weapons are 500 a piece, so it's stupid to think that players like me might actually utilize this.


Who does that leave?

Honestly, the only type of player that leaves is someone who is:

• Strong enough to clear the tier
• Is not in a static
• Has suffered terrible RNG in PF
• Only plays one or two roles, granting them the tome economy to actually buy the weapons.
• Possibly already bought the augmented tome weapon due to previously mentioned RNG

Which is an INCREDIBLY narrow list of players. All in all, I think this decision was EXTREMELY short-sighted of SE. Which I'm afraid has been a common trend in their design when it comes to this game as of the past year.

[Zarkovitch]

Square Enix, The Devs, cannot make good 4 mans content confirm. This is such a shame yet again they mess up. I'm sure the feedback will help to fix it... Oh wait it didnt. Seriously, The Devs, go back board and put effort to understand your content. I'm seriously annoyed. Delete Savage criterion and put rewards on normal with weekly cap like savage raid, you be fine. Done, I fix the content. Horayyy, GG EZ