Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[Jojoya]

No it's not. It's up to the player to decide what is helpful or harmful.

That's actually up to SE, not the player. They're the ones creating the content to meet their goals.

The player has the option to participate in the content within the rules that SE has set for it or to not participate.

Ironic when you say you should be allowed to overlevel then complain about the consequences for overleveling.

Yes, asking SE to fix what they've broken.

It's not broken. They addressed an exploit some players were using.

They don't because the problem is the roulette.

If the roulette is the problem, then that is what SE should remove.

I'm in the camp of "If you abandon a roulette before a certain amount of time/before a wipe, you forfeit the roulette for the day". Not overly punishing, but also makes people stick with it a bit more as leaving = no XP at all for the day.

The problem is some players are making trial accounts expressly for the purpose of having a character that ensure a party ends up in CT then leaving once the Alliance is formed. It's not a punishment when they had no intention of doing the roulette in the first place.

SE could also remove all players that queued with the character that left the instance but that probably wouldn't change much. You'd instead get the character staying with the Alliance but probably not contributing anything. Once the character levels to 60, start a new trial account to do it over again.

To me the best option to fix CT cheese is to remove CT from the roulette and give it a dedicated roulette. The game won't be hurt by an additional roulette and those only interested in CT will continue to have a roulette they can do while others will have the benefit of 2 roulettes to choose from.

Dynamis wasn't caused by the ilvl check, but that doesn't keep the ilvl check from making the situation worse.

It hasn't done anything to change the situation on Dynamis.

[Toutatis]

That's actually up to SE, not the player. They're the ones creating the content to meet their goals.

The player has the option to participate in the content within the rules that SE has set for it or to not participate.

Ironic when you say you should be allowed to overlevel then complain about the consequences for overleveling.

Nothing wrong saying SE botched the implementation and should have added an MSQ check on top of the iLvl check. It would be an improvement. And over leveling is not a choice these days. Even if you stick only with MSQ, do not do any side content, zero roulettes, zero side quests, no events, etc, you will still be over leveled.

The problem is some players are making trial accounts expressly for the purpose of having a character that ensure a party ends up in CT then leaving once the Alliance is formed...
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Once the character levels to 60, start a new trial account to do it over again.

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That doesn’t make at bit of sense. If some people are doing that they are surely a very tiny group. Leveling a free trial character up to the point where you can unlock CT just for that…and then restarting once you reach 60? Getting to the point where you can unlock CT takes a lot of time. Why would that level 60 free trial character simply not continue playing till it hits its cap at 70 and finishes Stormblood MSQ and is able to buy tome gear (edit: while they continue to do CT with readily available SAM and RDM). Seems more like a permanent solution than restarting at lvl 1 (someone would have to be utterly dumb to go back to 1). All they need to do is not unlock other raids. One could be subbed, lvl 90 in iLvl 660 gear and only unlock CT too.

In the meantime, the new subbed player who is legitimately playing the game and wants to unlock other raids but over levels naturally, and probably is about to hit lvl 70 by the time they get to unlock the lvl 60 Shadows of Mhach series ( more side content that gives significant XP) end ups locked out and forced to buy MB gear several times (that player doesn’t cap at 70) during the level up process just to join a roulette where the raids end up being at least 10 levels lower.

To me the best option to fix CT cheese is to remove CT from the roulette and give it a dedicated roulette. The game won't be hurt by an additional roulette and those only interested in CT will continue to have a roulette they can do while others will have the benefit of 2 roulettes to choose from.
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we’d probably end up with a similar problem with Void Ark. Void Ark is just as fast and braindead as CT. In fact I see less deaths in Void Ark than in CT.

[TaleraRistain]

I'm fine with adding a MSQ check to it as long as we keep the ilvl check and also add in the requirment of having all 3 alliance unlocked once your MSQ reaches the point you can get them..

That part would only work if they change things so all three unlock at once instead of having to unlock one at a time because it can be hard to get through them even direct queueing on low pop data centers. Sometimes it's more effective to roll the dice in the roulette to get what you need to come up.

[Supersnow845]

That part would only work if they change things so all three unlock at once instead of having to unlock one at a time because it can be hard to get through them even direct queueing on low pop data centers. Sometimes it's more effective to roll the dice in the roulette to get what you need to come up.

It is never worth risking the roulette when you can direct queue because direct queuing makes the roulette attempt to pop it for you

[TaleraRistain]

It is never worth risking the roulette when you can direct queue because direct queuing makes the roulette attempt to pop it for you

Things are different on Dynamis. We're all competing to be the one that gets the roulette to pop what we need. A lot more effective to hitch a ride into someone else's attempt even if you ended up doing the first or second a few times before you could get the third. That's how I got through CT there.

[Supersnow845]

Things are different on Dynamis. We're all competing to be the one that gets the roulette to pop what we need. A lot more effective to hitch a ride into someone else's attempt even if you ended up doing the first or second a few times before you could get the third. That's how I got through CT there.

You queuing directly for it just means one more person is also trying to pop it so it’s more likely to pop

Trust me I spent 1.5 years on materia, you are never more likely to get it randomly than you are to queue for it

[PyurBlue]

That's actually up to SE, not the player. They're the ones creating the content to meet their goals.

SE can't control player preference. Whether added XP is helpful is down to what a player wants and nothing else. A player that wants to cap as soon as possible will absolutely want Road and all the other XP bonuses. One that wants a slow climb through the MSQ may not. SE has nothing to do with it.

Ironic when you say you should be allowed to overlevel then complain about the consequences for overleveling.

There is nothing strange about it at all. People have their own preferences. I can point out issues that other people have even if I don't have them myself, it's a basic component of empathy.

It's not broken. They addressed an exploit some players were using.

An exploit which doesn't seem to have done much, and is separate from the issue of CT being the most common raid in the roulette which comes down to its position in the game more than anything else. If you don't think the word broken fits, fine, but the change has been negative for some players, and there is no real evidence that it has been positive for anyone.

If the roulette is the problem, then that is what SE should remove.

You would probably be alone in that, but it's fair for anyone to ask for what they want.

It hasn't done anything to change the situation on Dynamis.

That may be up for debate, but it stands that just because the ilvl change didn't cause the issue on Dynamic that doesn't mean it's not also a bad fit for what is going on in that DC. I'm not there but I wouldn't think locking people out of roulettes that are already empty sounds like a good thing.

[Jojoya]

That may be up for debate, but it stands that just because the ilvl change didn't cause the issue on Dynamic that doesn't mean it's not also a bad fit for what is going on in that DC. I'm not there but I wouldn't think locking people out of roulettes that are already empty sounds like a good thing.

Considering I spend about 3/4 of my game time on either of my 2 characters that are in the Marilith NN, I would think if players there were seeing it as a problem it would be brought up in NN. I haven't seen it getting mentioned.

It's probably not getting mentioned because most players are eager to get better gear as they level up regardless of their MSQ progress. Now that is something that has occasionally come up in the NN and many times a mentor has crafted the gear for the player in need, not even asking to be paid for it because they already had materials on hand.

Some players may not "prefer" the solution to their problem but it does exist. Craft or buy gear with the needed ilvl. You're going to need that gear at some point in the future as you get deep into Endwalker content.

If SE doesn't revert the change in next week's patch or make other adjustments, what will you do? Continue to boycott the roulette until it's changed?

[Ardeth]

If SE doesn't revert the change in next week's patch or make other adjustments, what will you do? Continue to boycott the roulette until it's changed?

Ironically as someone who plays on Dynamis I'm doing this involuntarily, lol.

[PyurBlue]

Some players may not "prefer" the solution to their problem but it does exist. Craft or buy gear with the needed ilvl. You're going to need that gear at some point in the future as you get deep into Endwalker content.

None of that is being disputed. Bad design remains bad design and I'd rather the problem be fixed than simply bandaided and forgotten. Personally, the ilvl check is only a secondary problem for me since I'm fully geared and caught up in the MSQ and I dislike CT so much that I won't queue for the roulette in the first place. Still, I can absolutely understand the frustration that this poorly thought out change has caused, so I remain against it.

If SE doesn't revert the change in next week's patch or make other adjustments, what will you do? Continue to boycott the roulette until it's changed?

I have not used the roulette since CT was made mandatory, so I have no problem continuing to ignore it. If it's not fun, there is no point to it.