Insane gear ilvl requirement for the lvl 60 alliance roulette

[Novani]

Originally had a long response to the topic, but will try and keep it short.

Basically, the idea to do this iLevel lock thing is half-baked at best; the roulette checks for your level and only your level. It doesn't care what content you have unlocked, how available gear is to you at the present time. And with how easy it is to get to 90 with some focus before even getting into Heavensward, this can be a hurdle to newer players who may not have someone who can help them on standby, nor can afford whatever the market is priced at to meet gear requirements.

Funnily enough, this also includes problems for classes that start at higher levels, as unless you keep accessories up to date in advance, same problem. On bigger DCs this issue is mitigated by a vast free market, on smaller ones like say, OCE, the situation is a lot more obvious in its ramifications.

It only affects the roulette thankfully, so aside from forfeiting XP and Gil bonuses from the Daily and In Need bonuses, you otherwise still get to participate as normal. It's additional steps to a process that was once incredibly simplistic. In fact, no problem has really been addressed as the raids themselves are unaffected, the goal-posts have simply been shifted, making it overall a pointless change.

My recommendation: have it check for unlocked content before placing limits. Using character level alone, in this game where that vastly outpaces MSQ progress, is folly. I'm not sure if it's a engine limitation or what that's forced this all or nothing approach, but it's incredibly clunky and poorly tuned in its present state, if you can queue for it direct but get locked out of the roulette, it's just silly.

[Jojoya]

if you can queue for it direct but get locked out of the roulette, it's just silly.

Except it's not since the roulette covers multiple raids, not just the one of your choosing.

All you miss out on by queueing directly is the once-a-day roulette bonus, which is what helped to place you in this predicament in the first place by awarding XP that causes you to outlevel your MSQ progression. Getting more tomestones doesn't do much good when you can't use them to buy gear upgrades for the job you're using.

Getting gear appropriate to your job level isn't asking anything extraordinary of anyone. If you haven't reached the 6.0 MSQ yet, you can still be in Novice Network and there's usually a crafter in there happy to help with gear for cost of materials if not free. Quest rewards frequently get placed on the marketboard cheap, which should cover you as long as you haven't reached 90 a job. If you have reached 90, NQ Classical and Rinascita gear frequently show up cheap on the MB because they come from Quick Ventures now. Classical is 580, more than enough to cover the 565 requirement if you're level 90.

It's silly to try to make it sound like gear is not affordable when it is. Spend your gil on something you need for once. You'll earn it back fast enough.

[Zairava]

It's a necessary evil. They put item level locks on the roulette to remove IL cheese. The only other way to do this would still be locking you out of alliance raid roulette, which would be to just lock you out of alliance raid unless you have all of them unlocked up to your current level, which puts you at the same situation we have now.

They should keep this system, it's honestly not a huge issue when you can buy gear off the marketboard or ask someone in novice network or the like if they can help you out.

[Eastwall]

Cheesing must have gotten so out of hand for a half thought out solution like this to be implemented

[Rongway]

Basically, the idea to do this iLevel lock thing is half-baked at best; the roulette checks for your level and only your level. It doesn't care what content you have unlocked, how available gear is to you at the present time. And with how easy it is to get to 90 with some focus before even getting into Heavensward, this can be a hurdle to newer players who may not have someone who can help them on standby, nor can afford whatever the market is priced at to meet gear requirements.

If you're so overleveled that you can't even unlock any level-appropriate content so that you can get level-appropriate gear, you probably do not need to run the roulette on that job.

[Jojoya]

Cheesing must have gotten so out of hand for a half thought out solution like this to be implemented

The half thought "solution" was from the player base. Many players have been requesting for years, especially since CT became mandatory for MSQ and it began appearing constantly in the roulette.

Adding it was the dev's way of saying "see, we do listen to you". Some players think it has improved things, others aren't seeing a change.

But the number of players being "locked" out of the roulette by ilvl is tiny compared to the number that use it regularly. MMO players have a nearly reflex habit of obtaining gear upgrades as their jobs level.

Those not meeting ilvl requirements have the ability to fix that. If they're choosing not to do it, then their stubbornness are why they can't queue for the roulette. What they ignore is they can still direct queue and make their own mini-roulette. All they miss out on is the daily bonus that is useless to them.

[ServerCollaps]

uh, the ilvl requirement for my lvl 62 char is 175. He has some crappy lvl 60 marketboard gear which already is 255+
how can anyone not meet that?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

uh, the ilvl requirement for my lvl 62 char is 175. He has some crappy lvl 60 marketboard gear which already is 255+
how can anyone not meet that?

It changes depending on the level range the job you queue with is in.

Lv50-59 needs ilv70 (Syrcus Tower*)
Lv60-69 needs ilv175 (Void Ark)
Lv70-79 needs ilv305 (Royal City of Rabanastre)
Lv80-89 needs ilv435 (Copied Factory)
Lv90-99 needs ilv565 (Aglaia)

*because you need at least two alliance raids for the roulette

[ServerCollaps]

ya, but even the the lowest lvl 70 mb-gear is 320 already. You are not supposed to wear lvl 50 or 60 gear to run 70 content..
the super-easy-to-get lvl 70 tomegear is ilvl 400 even. The requirement is anything but high, its the lowest of lowest possible to not entirely grief your partymembers

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

ya, but even the the lowest lvl 70 mb-gear is 320 already. You are not supposed to wear lvl 50 or 60 gear to run 70 content..
the super-easy-to-get lvl 70 tomegear is ilvl 400 even. The requirement is anything but high, its the lowest of lowest possible to not entirely grief your partymembers

You are absolutely correct. The crux of many's argument is basically "I feel entitled to run this roulette despite my job being overlevelled". The real difficulty of it is knowing where to go and what to buy because most players don't know anything but Tomestone gear at this point.

That said, green-quality crafted gear is not ideal to buy. At level caps there is "post-expansion shop gear" which is 385 in Stormblood from what I remember.