Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[pyxls]

To the guys on Aether with whom I had tried to run SGE with in Lunar Subterrane, I am so sorry! The servers have decided to hate on me tonight with constant pokeball-inducing 2002 lobby errors despite logging in just fine for the first time today... gave up after a while. =-=

[TheDustyOne]

What slack? Whenever anyone asks "What's the most braindead, casual MMO on the market that you can literally faceroll content?" I say "AND it has a generous free trial!"

Because queueing into content as a class and not a job gives you not even half of the kit, and the half that is there is at only a fraction of its actual power. A Conjurer doesn't have:

Regen
Holy
Benediction
Afflatus Solace
Asylum
Glare
Assize
Thin Air
Tetragrammaton
Divine Benison
Afflatus Rapture
Afflatus Misery
Temperance
Aquaveil
Liturgy of the Bell

And that's not even all that it's lacking. Why would someone want to accept the player that willingly threw out 80% of its spells and abilities for a "challenge" that instead puts the burden on the rest of the team to make up for that lack of healing and damage? That team may as well be only 3 players. The average tank would outheal what a Conjurer is capable of. Also, are you really going to say that going into level 80-90 content with Stone II is acceptable? When the game already forces you to do all your job quests to finish the lvl 80 MSQ? There's no excuse to bring in a class over a job.

"But what if I want to make it difficult?" Then bring friends who are willing to do it with you. At least then you're not subjecting everyone in Duty Finder to your "challenge". It only becomes challenging when everyone's willing to commit and also go in with classes.

Imagine if I decided that I wanted to only use auto-attack "because I wanted a challenge", would that be fair to everyone else in the party? If that's not fair because I'm ignoring my kit and purposely playing poorly, why would someone deciding to play a class over a job not constitute the same criticism? They're also ignoring their kit, and doing so purposely once they're at level 80. Subjecting this "challenge" to randos in DF is selfish play that puts your own fun above the rest of the party.

[Remolia]

Because queueing into content as a class and not a job gives you not even half of the kit, and the half that is there is at only a fraction of its actual power. A Conjurer doesn't have:

Regen
Holy
Benediction
Afflatus Solace
Asylum
Glare
Assize
Thin Air
Tetragrammaton
Divine Benison
Afflatus Rapture
Afflatus Misery
Temperance
Aquaveil
Liturgy of the Bell

And that's not even all that it's lacking. Why would someone want to accept the player that willingly threw out 80% of its spells and abilities for a "challenge" that instead puts the burden on the rest of the team to make up for that lack of healing and damage? That team may as well be only 3 players. The average tank would outheal what a Conjurer is capable of. Also, are you really going to say that going into level 80-90 content with Stone II is acceptable? When the game already forces you to do all your job quests to finish the lvl 80 MSQ? There's no excuse to bring in a class over a job.

"But what if I want to make it difficult?" Then bring friends who are willing to do it with you. At least then you're not subjecting everyone in Duty Finder to your "challenge". It only becomes challenging when everyone's willing to commit and also go in with classes.

Imagine if I decided that I wanted to only use auto-attack "because I wanted a challenge", would that be fair to everyone else in the party? If that's not fair because I'm ignoring my kit and purposely playing poorly, why would someone deciding to play a class over a job not constitute the same criticism? They're also ignoring their kit, and doing so purposely once they're at level 80. Subjecting this "challenge" to randos in DF is selfish play that puts your own fun above the rest of the party.

We already discussed that, most part of 15-80 duties is a joke for a healer or a tank, which makes ur healer/tank feels like disrespected crap.
When I am playing some 70 level or 80 level alliance or any other duty, I dont want to slam my keyboard with my face, when I see my raid take a hit, and then return to 1-1-1-1-1-1 99% uptime Glare spams.
I want to figure out how to do more complex and hard ways to heal my party members with a limited skill set, instead of heaving a pack of Win buttons.
And I am not "use auto-attack "because I wanted a challenge"", I am taking my conjurering approach very seriously.
All ur fancy WHM spells are crap, if u dont have duties (I am talking about 1-80 levels) where u have to use them.

[BRVV]

We already discussed that, most part of 15-80 duties is a joke for a healer or a tank, which makes ur healer/tank feels like disrespected crap.
When I am playing some 70 level or 80 level alliance or any other duty, I dont want to slam my keyboard with my face, when I see my raid take a hit, and then return to 1-1-1-1-1-1 99% uptime Glare spams.
I want to figure out how to do more complex and hard ways to heal my party members with a limited skill set, instead of heaving a pack of Win buttons.
And I am not "use auto-attack "because I wanted a challenge"", I am taking my conjurering approach very seriously.
All ur fancy WHM spells are crap, if u dont have duties (I am talking about 1-80 levels) where u have to use them.

Prove yourself. Show me a video of a dungeon run from you as a class in 80+ content. Let's see.

[Remolia]

Prove yourself. Show me a video of a dungeon run from you as a class in 80+ content. Let's see.

Do u even read? I told u I have an alt locked to 1-80 content.

[BRVV]

Do u even read? I told u I have an alt locked to 1-80 content.

Yes i do. You always claim you aren't a burden to your group but i guess you can't prove that. Resorting to ad hominem quite fast i must say.

[TheDustyOne]

My problem isn't that you want to do this "challenge" (as short sighted as it is to call it a challenge, all you're doing is passing responsibility to your teammates unless they also take part and play a class), but that you're doing it in Duty Finder and subjecting randoms to it who didn't consent and expected a WHM rather than a CNJ.

Get a party for that or don't enter, otherwise it falls under lethargic play as you're intentionally limiting yourself and causing problems for other players.

We already discussed that, most part of 15-80 duties is a joke for a healer or a tank, which makes ur healer/tank feels like disrespected crap.
When I am playing some 70 level or 80 level alliance or any other duty, I dont want to slam my keyboard with my face, when I see my raid take a hit, and then return to 1-1-1-1-1-1 99% uptime Glare spams.
I want to figure out how to do more complex and hard ways to heal my party members with a limited skill set, instead of heaving a pack of Win buttons.
And I am not "use auto-attack "because I wanted a challenge"", I am taking my conjurering approach very seriously.
All ur fancy WHM spells are crap, if u dont have duties (I am talking about 1-80 levels) where u have to use them.

Ah yes, because replacing Tetragrammaton or Rapture with Cure II is very complex. Deciding not to use Stone II because you're slowly running out of mana and can only rely on Lucid Dreaming is complex and totally not just gimping yourself.

I don't disagree that our current tank and healer kits are a joke, especially healers, but that's still not an excuse. Deciding that you're going to make healers more interesting by effectively making yourself half a party member won't fix the problem with healer kits, they're just as uninteresting at lvl 50 as they are at lvl 90, only now you decided that MP tools, free heals, and extra damage aren't worth bringing to the table.

It'd be one thing if you decided to remove a few of your free heals from your hotbar and kept the MP tools so that you could facilitate a playstyle more to your liking. As suboptimal as it is, I can at least respect that you want to enjoy healers in a different approach than how the game is currently designed, and I can at least put "GCD preference" up as playstyle rather than lethargic. However, queueing into lvl 80 content and not even having Thin Air and Regen doesn't make it interesting, just tedious for everyone else.

[Remolia]

What is there to figure out in playing Conjurer instead of White Mage?
Group takes damage = cast Medica, if this isn't enough cast Medica 2
Single people take damage = cast Cure, if this isn't enough cast Cure 2
No one took damage = Cast Stone.

It's not like you have any other options.

And believe it or not, I did a Gladiator run of Holminster Switch once because I was curious if the others are going to freak out at me or not (they didn't). Nothing changed when it comes to my own personal play style. For me, it was like I queued into Sastasha or Haukke Manor, but my healer and dps had to make up for the lack of mitigation/dmg that I didn't bring with me. It's not a challenge to make others do the work, and it isn't fun either.

marauder is better it has Homlgang, and some extra healing, u can also add a Hyper-Potion to extra mitigation slot.

Also if group take damage its better to start with Medica 2, and add Medica 1 only if needed. Same goes for Cure 1 and Cure 2, if u have time to apply Cure 2 its better to go with Cure 2, if u dont have time or have to move - go with cure 1.

[Remolia]

Yes i do. You always claim you aren't a burden to your group but i guess you can't prove that. Resorting to ad hominem quite fast i must say.

I manage to solo heal 70 level Obonner alliance raid, only trick was on 3rd boss to swoop a Mind potion during second Doom mechanics, to pass it.

[Remolia]

My problem isn't that you want to do this "challenge" (as short sighted as it is to call it a challenge, all you're doing is passing responsibility to your teammates unless they also take part and play a class), but that you're doing it in Duty Finder and subjecting randoms to it who didn't consent and expected a WHM rather than a CNJ.

find me a group then, I am duing fine in DF, but I would not mind if u find me a group, especially with second conjurer as co-healer.

Ah yes, because replacing Tetragrammaton or Rapture with Cure II is very complex. Deciding not to use Stone II because you're slowly running out of mana and can only rely on Lucid Dreaming is complex and totally not just gimping yourself.

No, u can get Piety base line with gear, melds and food. I think its 1100+ for level 70 and 1500+ for level 80, don't remember exactly.