[Graphic Update Feedback] Miqo'te Female Eyes and Face 3 Feedback

[CStrife912]

I believe our long time resident of questionable threads is back and disguising themselves under the sea of feedback threads...like if you aren't who I think you are (The 1 post of this current month with a healer at 90 very much leads credibility to my theory however) then I apologize but in regards to the thread there is some reaching here....there is a lot of changes here which I think you are glancing over...but it is the same character. The hair now can reflect the highlights better and the lighting system as a whole has improved alongside their skin shader with subsurface scattering too. On top of that the eyes are now shaders themselves which have fully positional glare points now rather then the painted in ones in the base. I think all these just enhance the the model...it really shows their models do stand up quite well...while they've also upped the poly count with nose, chin, ear etc I do hope by tokyo they look to hair and just smoothen out some of the jagged lines that feature more at the top of the head.

[Tsumdere]

It looks like the same character.

It's interesting seeing all of these people upset over objectively better looking characters. The after looks way better.
Only the Au Ra limbal ring glow and Fem Roe pupil has any weight behind it.

[Arzalis]

It looks like the same character.

It's interesting seeing all of these people upset over objectively better looking characters. The after looks way better.
Only the Au Ra limbal ring glow and Fem Roe pupil has any weight behind it.

Not sure I'd agree. If you look at the picture, the eyes lost a lot of their color. I don't understand the point of having all the color options, which previously allowed a range between muted and bright, if they're just going to make them all muted now.

The characters look better from a technical perspective, but they've definitely lost a lot of the uniqueness they had previously. They look kinda bland and the eyes are a large reason for that.

[SchwarzwaelderTorte]

The characters look better from a technical perspective, but they've definitely lost a lot of the uniqueness they had previously. They look kinda bland and the eyes are a large reason for that.

I think this is a big point that is dividing people in all the current threads. It seems like some people focus on the technical improvement, and are arguing against the feedback others are offering because "it looks better, so why are people complaining, it shouldn't be changed at all".
I don't think anyone here thinks the graphics update is a downgrade overall, we're all super excited for it (the hair upgrade looks amazing). But technical improvement shouldn't come at the cost of the defining traits of the original designs, and at the moment they're suffering a little bit, so people are just asking for some finetuning in those areas.

It's all about nuances I guess.

[CidHeiral]

The new eyes are a gigantic improvement across the board (excluding the limbal rings which I don't care about either way before any lizards jump on me). The "before" picture in the OP looks completely vacant, like a soulless robot. The "after" picture looks so much more alive after the eye upgrade. Half the reason I picked the angry eyebrows on my own character was to lessen the O_O look every playable race has in this game, so I'm very excited to see that being improved finally.

The rest of the character looks practically identical so it's pretty ridiculous to claim it's a "totally different face," but I'm sure SE went into this update prepared for a certain amount of silly nitpicking.

[GTK0HLK]

I think this is a big point that is dividing people in all the current threads. It seems like some people focus on the technical improvement, and are arguing against the feedback others are offering because "it looks better, so why are people complaining, it shouldn't be changed at all".
I don't think anyone here thinks the graphics update is a downgrade overall, we're all super excited for it (the hair upgrade looks amazing). But technical improvement shouldn't come at the cost of the defining traits of the original designs, and at the moment they're suffering a little bit, so people are just asking for some finetuning in those areas.

It's all about nuances I guess.

People just need to understand that, get the basic idea of what people want before inserting into a topic.

Are they against Graphics Upgrade? everyone including outsiders are happy(Unless they're just hating for hate.)

Do they dislike the overall changes?
No, so many good changes and excitement is going around.

Are they focusing only on one aspect?
Yes, the main focus was just something that needs fixing or making sure the feel of the characters that players have grown to love and hate about the races remains the same. JUST HQ.

Sadly, so many keep pushing on it, that they make themselves seem like Being Contrarian for the emotions they get rises from.

You even have some users who folk misjudge(justifiably, or incorrectly) depending on the topic coming out in support of it. while others you expect more from their past takes take a terrible turn. (Unless they're just being against for a personal vendetta against some random user.)

But the Fact many new users with characters that have been around for awhile.

And those who love muted Colors, Roe Eyes, or asking finally for a Fix to Darker skin tones lighting.

have all come forward to give feedback and express their want for Toggles on something minor while they are developing these changes, and bringing each other up for the devs to notice.

We all want to ensure they please as many as they wish with the Graphics Upgrade.

And the major factor is being as close to our current expectations of our characters. But HQ.

[EllieSea]

With this glam:


you will hardly see a difference how big or animal-like the eyes are.



Cheers

hehe, perhaps if this was my only glam and not just my newest

[EllieSea]

I agree that it is more subtle than other changes that I pointed out in my thread on Eyes and Au ra Limbal Rings, especially if you don't play as a M'iqote so you are not as familiar with their faces as someone who does, but I think it would also help people who are unconvinced by the OP to consider how this would affect NPCs like Y'shtola, since the model uses the same face.

I can imagine that her eyes will receive a special treatment (at least post ARR), but I think her default expression would soften quite a lot with the changes around the mouth and the cheeks, and that doesn't really suit her character.

And even for a normal M'iqote, the more "realistic" irises kind of take away from the feline image to me, ironically enough. Because they're more overshadowed and the color slightly tuned down, the gaze looks less fierce and wild than it does at the moment, even with the same pupil.

mhmm, I don't deny that the changes by comparison to other races are subtle, I've read through your thread and a few others from players that can appreciate the technical improvements while also grieving the current appearance of their characters changing. All of the compliments and complaints to current state of updates are valid. Thank you for pointing out that the updates would also affect Y'shtola's model and intensity. (I think we sometimes forget how her skin has also unfortunately lightened over the years)

[EllieSea]

It's not that I really can't see any change between these two pictures, I assume we all can, but definitely not to the point where I can't still see it's the same character.

- The eyes are the most obvious difference, personally I think they look better in the after but that's entirely subjective.
- New maps makes the light hit the face differently casting a different shadow across the entire jaw making the chin look slightly shorter even though it's not, so the entire face looks rounder from this particular angle.
- I see no drastic change in the lips, cleaner lines and slightly more glossy perhaps.
- The hair colour looking slightly different is already a "problem" between the older and more recently released hairstyles. If anything this should make colour show more uniformly across all of them rather than suddenly turning drastically brighter or darker depending on when the hairstyle was released.

Obviously me saying that maybe they should just call the whole thing off is tongue in cheek, but maybe we're taking the "we don't want to change your character" statement a bit too literally in this case. There will obviously be some changes, if they truly wanted no changes there would be no point to any of this and they would just leave them alone completely.

In a perfect world every piece of feedback or complaint would turn into another option and we'd get sliders for this and toggles for that, but the reality of this game is that if they get enough feedback about something it often gets changed completely. In some cases that's fine and in some it's kind of a bummer so I'm just providing some counter criticism. For example, there are people that enjoyed the glassier look they gave the Au Ra horns but as far as we know that's completely scrapped now.

You aren't wrong, they eyes do look *better* so does the quality of shadows and the way the hair texture is rendered. This update will hopefully help the disparity in color between different hairstyles looking so different. It all looks better. But these changes however small do affect the overall look and expression of characters. I would love if this feedback to square yielded sliders and just more options for customization. Not just a scrap of the change as a whole.. But this would only be in a perfect world.

[EllieSea]

While I agree that it looks better from my perspective, I can totally understand why others would not like it. I hope the Devs offer a Fantasia for everybody after the update. While it’s a financial hit, it is the right thing to do. Any changes, even subtle, may make a player dislike their look enough to quit.

Yeah, this would be a generous thing for the Devs to do. While I don't think they could change enough to ever make me quit. It would be nice to have a Fantasia just in case to be able to adjust after the update to make my character feel more like themselves again.