Echoes of Vana'diel FFXI Alliance Raid

[SilverObi]

I hope the new Alliance raid series will follow in the footsteps of the Ivalice raid series, in which it actually contributes lore and world-building to the world of XIV rather than being another Nier-like raid series that doesn't make any sense nor adds anything lorewise and exists solely for the hype and 2B leggings.

That's the big question in my mind right now as well. The two XI crossover events already established that travel between the universes is canonically possible and was even referenced in XI, and we have a character from there currently stranded on the Source. So will we be traveling somehow TO XI's Vana'diel or will be getting a XIV version similar to how they retooled Ivalice, the answers can't come soon enough.

edit: and they've already said the shards aren't other FF worlds so hopefully they don't backpedal on that.

[Enkidoh]

That's the big question in my mind right now as well. The two XI crossover events already established that travel between the universes is canonically possible and was even referenced in XI, and we have a character from there currently stranded on the Source. So will we be traveling somehow TO XI's Vana'diel or will be getting a XIV version similar to how they retooled Ivalice, the answers can't come soon enough

It would most likely just be like the Ivalice raids, a FFXIV-specific area with FFXIV lore that takes names, themes, and appearances from XI (as we already have that with Azaldaal's Legacy and Eureka). The crossover events were specific that cross-dimensional travel is extremely difficult (I mean, Iroha is now stuck here in Hydaelyn for one), so I doubt we're going to Vana'diel itself (presented in FFXIV's engine). Probably there's some area in Tural that resembles part of the Middle Lands/nations of the Alliance of Altana and the usual shennigans happen.

Intriguing either way.

[rainichan]

and we have a character from there currently stranded on the Source.

(I mean, Iroha is now stuck here in Hydaelyn for one)

She isn't stuck on Hydaelyn, she traveled here trying to travel back from the future of Vana'diel as the Emptiness engulfed it - the finale xpac wouldn't have happened if she didn't find a way back to get to the past where her "master" was to help save the future.

On topic, I'm hoping for an Igqira set. I've been wanting that set for SO. LONG. in FFXIV - JSEs would be fun, but alas, would not work. The DNC AF would be fantastic for ranged phys, and Phantasmal Plate for the tanks, maybe Marduk gear for the healers... Kokugetsu for striking, Homam Corazza for maiming. Would love to see a lot of the sets that were for BLU available as glam though, or even for different classes - we don't have anything quite like it in XIV!

For hopes, I'm not sure if I want tracks taken wholesale from XI - a lot are bangers anyway - like they were for Ivalice, or if I want the Soken sound team feel like some of the reimaginings we got for the FFIV and FFVIII tracks. Imagining Soken's spin on the Shadowlord theme or Promyvion, should it be an area, makes me smile. Heck, if Promyvion is an area we go to, I will probably die on the spot lol, one of my fave dungeons in XI Al'taieu would be acceptable if we have the fish that just follow us around without aggroing us, honestly the best part of Sea.

idk there's a lot about the araid I'm very excited for!

[Eisi]

That's the big question in my mind right now as well. The two XI crossover events already established that travel between the universes is canonically possible and was even referenced in XI, and we have a character from there currently stranded on the Source. So will we be traveling somehow TO XI's Vana'diel or will be getting a XIV version similar to how they retooled Ivalice, the answers can't come soon enough.

edit: and they've already said the shards aren't other FF worlds so hopefully they don't backpedal on that.

Hey, what if it's both a FFXIV version of Vana'diel that happens to live on another shard?

[SeverianLyonesse]

Hey, what if it's both a FFXIV version of Vana'diel that happens to live on another shard?

I think this is just the natural conclusion Vana'diel wants to be in XIV.

It can't be a region in the Source because that would just be weird. But it would likely be a "XIV Version" of Vana'diel just like Ivalice is. So putting the "XIV Vana'diel" onto a shard just makes sense.

Not to mention, the game is somewhat begging to explore other shards after 6.x wrapped up the First and the Thirteenth. I would be very surprised if we did not end up checking out other shards, I think isolated side stories like alliance raids are the perfect venue to do so, and it seems XI is the perfect introduction to that concept.

[MsMisato]

I think this is just the natural conclusion Vana'diel wants to be in XIV.

It can't be a region in the Source because that would just be weird. But it would likely be a "XIV Version" of Vana'diel just like Ivalice is. So putting the "XIV Vana'diel" onto a shard just makes sense.

Not to mention, the game is somewhat begging to explore other shards after 6.x wrapped up the First and the Thirteenth. I would be very surprised if we did not end up checking out other shards, I think isolated side stories like alliance raids are the perfect venue to do so, and it seems XI is the perfect introduction to that concept.

i mean, its been shown in the event from 2.0 that there is a connection as shantotto from windhurst made her appearance her in Eorzea.

[RitsukoSonoda]

I think this is just the natural conclusion Vana'diel wants to be in XIV.

It can't be a region in the Source because that would just be weird. But it would likely be a "XIV Version" of Vana'diel just like Ivalice is. So putting the "XIV Vana'diel" onto a shard just makes sense.

Not to mention, the game is somewhat begging to explore other shards after 6.x wrapped up the First and the Thirteenth. I would be very surprised if we did not end up checking out other shards, I think isolated side stories like alliance raids are the perfect venue to do so, and it seems XI is the perfect introduction to that concept.

Funny thought that crossed my mind is that since it seems the shards draw inspiration from previous FF games, and we're getting an FF16 crossover, and the 2 primary influences responsible for maintaining the shard balance are gone, does that mean shards are potentially breaking into additional shards? I mean they could have 1 be based on FF6 and say the 16th shard was created when a certain mad clown created his own catastrophe brining ruin to the world to rule as a mad god.

[Enkidoh]

Funny thought that crossed my mind is that since it seems the shards draw inspiration from previous FF games, and we're getting an FF16 crossover, and the 2 primary influences responsible for maintaining the shard balance are gone, does that mean shards are potentially breaking into additional shards? I mean they could have 1 be based on FF6 and say the 16th shard was created when a certain mad clown created his own catastrophe brining ruin to the world to rule as a mad god.

There never was more than 14, and it was Hydaelyn's power that created them in the first place, so, really if anything they'll just remain as is under inertia, there is certainly no indication anywhere that they'll fracture further (because if that was the case, wouldn't the already rejoined Shards also fracture from the Source?).

And the Shards were never literally other FF worlds (as said repeatedly) - they're simply copies of the Source where things went slightly differently (of course there are some oddities like Baron and Troia in the Thirteenth despite the Thirteenth being based on the Void from FFIII and the Rift from FFV). The other FF games are set in their own independent universes seperate from XIV, they are not the actual Shards at all.

Really, the old 'the Shards are the other FF game worlds!' idea needs to just fade away already as it was never anything more than headcanon based on wishful thinking and coincidence (and was debunked anyway long ago). We're already getting a FFXVI crossover event in a few months, which would probably be the same as the others and underline that fact (that each FF game is a seperate world in a different universe, and will treat the event as such).

[Alleluia]

That's the big question in my mind right now as well. The two XI crossover events already established that travel between the universes is canonically possible and was even referenced in XI, and we have a character from there currently stranded on the Source. So will we be traveling somehow TO XI's Vana'diel or will be getting a XIV version similar to how they retooled Ivalice, the answers can't come soon enough.

edit: and they've already said the shards aren't other FF worlds so hopefully they don't backpedal on that.

If Iroha was involved in this, I'd be very happy. I still use that armor for my DRG glam. lol And I've been wanting a resolution to that hanging thread for her for forever.



EDIT: Wow, ok, didn't realize this was 16 pages long before I responded. lol Point still stands.