Dawntrail Healers need a rework

[SweetPete]

We have a decent amount of okay healers and very rare good/amazing healers. Sorry I want healers to be better too but if most can’t even handle healing with the large amount of healing skills we have now I hate to see how it will be if they cut skills and gave an equal amount of healing and dps skills again.

Nah I’m good. Keep things the way they are. Bad enough trying to get healers to heal with just one dps skill spam. I can’t imagine the disaster it would be if they gave us more dps skills again.

Trimming dps skills down was probably the best thing the devs did for healers. I’ll get hate for this post but idc. I been around since 1.0 so I know everything healers went through up until now. I main healer too. So yeah.

[ty_taurus]

We have a decent amount of okay healers and very rare good/amazing healers. Sorry I want healers to be better too but if most can’t even handle healing with the large amount of healing skills we have now I hate to see how it will be if they cut skills and gave an equal amount of healing and dps skills again.

Nah I’m good. Keep things the way they are. Bad enough trying to get healers to heal with just one dps skill spam. I can’t imagine the disaster it would be if they gave us more dps skills again.

Trimming dps skills down was probably the best thing the devs did for healers. I’ll get hate for this post but idc. I been around since 1.0 so I know everything healers went through up until now. I main healer too. So yeah.

Here's my stance: Let people suck.

My ability to enjoy a game shouldn't be reliant on another person's ability to play the game at a passable level. Why is that fair to me? So what? Some people suck. Some clears will take longer than others. Cry me an fing river.

[Supersnow845]

We have a decent amount of okay healers and very rare good/amazing healers. Sorry I want healers to be better too but if most can’t even handle healing with the large amount of healing skills we have now I hate to see how it will be if they cut skills and gave an equal amount of healing and dps skills again.

Nah I’m good. Keep things the way they are. Bad enough trying to get healers to heal with just one dps skill spam. I can’t imagine the disaster it would be if they gave us more dps skills again.

Trimming dps skills down was probably the best thing the devs did for healers. I’ll get hate for this post but idc. I been around since 1.0 so I know everything healers went through up until now. I main healer too. So yeah.

What would he the problem with leaving the GCD heals the same and diversifying the damage kit

The only really problem with healing back then is cleric stance actually impacted almost all healing

If you left the OP GCD kit alone then bad healers can be bad DPS dealers while still keeping the party alive, glare mages causing party deaths are exceptionally rare compared to sylphies and functional sylphies

Plus there is the added effect of the fact that the changes just weren’t popular with anyone as per the job satisfaction surveys released since 5.0

[IDontPetLalas]

We have a decent amount of okay healers and very rare good/amazing healers. Sorry I want healers to be better too but if most can’t even handle healing with the large amount of healing skills we have now I hate to see how it will be if they cut skills and gave an equal amount of healing and dps skills again.

Nah I’m good. Keep things the way they are. Bad enough trying to get healers to heal with just one dps skill spam. I can’t imagine the disaster it would be if they gave us more dps skills again.

Trimming dps skills down was probably the best thing the devs did for healers. I’ll get hate for this post but idc. I been around since 1.0 so I know everything healers went through up until now. I main healer too. So yeah.

We don't design any other job around the " hey someone could suck at it" mentality. You aren't going to be given "hate" for this treatment, however if you have been around since 1.0 it's surprising if you haven't encountered "okay" and "amazing" and probably terrible people in every single job.

I don't think that anyone has every suggested changes that would cripple healer's abilities to heal. Nor, come to mention it, has the suggestion of equal number of healing and DPS skills come up (although, it could possibly work given a good design- look at PVP).

Basically, what I'm saying is that change is inevitable in a game. So is improvement for players, to various degrees. Healers jobs shouldn't be the exception to this.

[Renathras]

Precisely zero people saw the 5.0 healers from the 4.0 healers and thought the changes were good

This is false.

This is the kind of hyperbole that someone often mentions and points out should be avoided.

There were people who saw the healer change from 4.0 to 5.0 and thought the changes were good. I'd wager MOST people though the WHM changes were good, at the very least. Though people now complain, at the time, people seemed to see Misery as a better Aero 3, and the overall Lily changes have been discussed and agreed as an improvement. If we could go back in a time machine (or delve the old forum and reddit posts of that era), you'd probably find more than "Precisely zero" people saying the WHM changes were good.

Also more than zero people liked the SCH changes, though that was more divisive.

I think the AST changes were near universally opposed, but I wouldn't even be too sure that there weren't some people saying they liked those.

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So there were people who liked the SB to ShB healer changes and thought they were good.

Trimming dps skills down was probably the best thing the devs did for healers. I’ll get hate for this post but idc. I been around since 1.0 so I know everything healers went through up until now. I main healer too. So yeah.

For what it's worth, I'm somewhat with you. But my position (I won't mention the name since that's apparently some kind of business pitch or something and I'm not allowed to do that even if everyone else is allowed to pitch their ideas) is that some healers being given more DPS buttons is probably fine, it just shouldn't be all of them. That way, if people like the way healers play now, they can continue doing so. For example, if WHM kept its kit basically as it is now but SCH got its SB DoTs badk (precisely 2 more but both having shorter times and a minor interaction with Fester and Bane), I don't think that would necessarily be bad and it would give the people that like that awful gameplay an outlet. Which I think is sa good thing.

...making all the healer Jobs like that is a terrible idea, though.

I think the much bigger problem is kits vs encounter design. Encounter design heavily prizes oGCD only healing, and GCD healing is unsustainable anyway since it's often weaker AND costs too much MP. The oGCDs are way too powerful, and we have way too many of them.

[Teno]

We have a decent amount of okay healers and very rare good/amazing healers. Sorry I want healers to be better too but if most can’t even handle healing with the large amount of healing skills we have now I hate to see how it will be if they cut skills and gave an equal amount of healing and dps skills again.

Nah I’m good. Keep things the way they are. Bad enough trying to get healers to heal with just one dps skill spam. I can’t imagine the disaster it would be if they gave us more dps skills again.

Trimming dps skills down was probably the best thing the devs did for healers. I’ll get hate for this post but idc. I been around since 1.0 so I know everything healers went through up until now. I main healer too. So yeah.

Yeah you'll get a lot of well deserved beef indeed. What game are you playing exactly that all your healers can't press an oGCD every 5-10-20s ? Or there's something you're not telling us. Because even bad healers will carry you through most content except ultimates.
Your post makes me seriously doubt that you main healer or have been around during ARR/HW.

[Veritas-Ancora]

Nah I’m good. Keep things the way they are. Bad enough trying to get healers to heal with just one dps skill spam. I can’t imagine the disaster it would be if they gave us more dps skills again.

Yeah I agree with this. I've watched 10 years of people going back and forth on this wanting _____ without compromise and Yoshi P has broken his back several times bending over for people.

[Shurrikhan]

Yeah I agree with this. I've watched 10 years of people going back and forth on this wanting _____ without compromise and Yoshi P has broken his back several times bending over for people.

Given that the number of people incapable of healing under any kind of pressure has only increased since increasingly dumbing down healing... it's hard to give any positive sort of credit for bending in an utterly wrong direction.