Dark Knight needs serious help

[GoatOfWar]

Dark Knight is supposed to be damage focused, not sustain focused.

And yet, Dark knight ranks at the bottom now. Dark knight is the worst tank in every regard right now. Streamers had their ego's hurt when another tank dealt 2% more damage so they buffed Warrior's damage to be higher unless Dark knight gets a billion party buffs during it's burst. At which point, they do about the same. But they can't just buff Warrior, because then that would break the tank balance completely. So they also buffed Paladin and Gnb's damage. And now there's nothing Dark knight does better than anyone else. Quite the contrary, it has the worst of just about everything right now.

I'm starting to feel forced to play Warrior because it's a strictly easier to play version of Dark knight that does everything better.

[MikoRemi]

Only "really" at the bottom in Savage if you don't count Athena P1 but their maximum output is far above and ahead of any other tank. It also doesn't help they are logged the least of the tanks so it's harder for a general average to be reached. That and typically they're within 1-2% of each other. Focusing on ADPS of course since that's just considering their damage without accounting for raid buffs which tanks don't have.

For the latest Ultimate's, they're eating pretty healthy at #2 but still a very large leap with maximum DPS. They're also parsed quite heavily compared to most other tanks here.

Trialwise is a shame but they're also severely underparsed once more. Probably the only time their maximum DPS isn't pushed as hard as the others but Extreme content isn't also taken that seriously with those kinds of people.

I'd still say they could use some actual sustain along with an actual identity which is a sad failing on the devs unfortunately, but there's a bit more to it than just being at the bottom. Also as usual the Warrior hate is quite overdone as usual but it's ok. Come the start of the expansion, Warrior's will probably be the worst tanks and get laughed at before they get some adjustments where they end up being quite powerful by the end. Been a thing in ARR, SB, a bit into SHB. Wouldn't know of HW personally, and EW it wasn't the worst start.

Honey over vinegar.

[GoatOfWar]

Only "really" at the bottom in Savage if you don't count Athena P1 but their maximum output is far above and ahead of any other tank. It also doesn't help they are logged the least of the tanks so it's harder for a general average to be reached. That and typically they're within 1-2% of each other. Focusing on ADPS of course since that's just considering their damage without accounting for raid buffs which tanks don't have.

For the latest Ultimate's, they're eating pretty healthy at #2 but still a very large leap with maximum DPS. They're also parsed quite heavily compared to most other tanks here.

Trialwise is a shame but they're also severely underparsed once more. Probably the only time their maximum DPS isn't pushed as hard as the others but Extreme content isn't also taken that seriously with those kinds of people.

I'd still say they could use some actual sustain along with an actual identity which is a sad failing on the devs unfortunately, but there's a bit more to it than just being at the bottom. Also as usual the Warrior hate is quite overdone as usual but it's ok. Come the start of the expansion, Warrior's will probably be the worst tanks and get laughed at before they get some adjustments where they end up being quite powerful by the end. Been a thing in ARR, SB, a bit into SHB. Wouldn't know of HW personally, and EW it wasn't the worst start.

Honey over vinegar.

What do you mean class identity? Any time we do something Warrior doesn't, the warrior playerbase gets mad about it until everyone else gets it.
Only Dark knight gets reprisal? Unfair, we want it too.
TBN being the best short tank cd? Unfair, buff the others.
Dark knight does slightly more dps to offset their lack of utility and sustain? Unfair, buff my medic tank that also has the best invuln and sustain of all tanks to do as much dps as the selfish tank.
You don't leave us any breathing room.

If you want to talk class identity, let's talk about the barbarian tank doing more healing/shielding and being a better main tank than the paladin, while also doing more dps than the selfish tank while still managing to have the least amount of buttons, and least engaging rotation of them all. Warrior is the fat overfed spoiled child on the tank roster. Go over your tooltips and take a shot any time you read ''additional effect.'' It needs nerfs and the warrior playerbase needs to learn how to live in a world where some classes might be better at some things than yours. Demanding being the best at everything is not a class identity. It's selfish.

[MikoRemi]

Sounds a bit like an overgeneralization. I've never met anyone like that and generally from what I've seen, it's nice to have a DRK around for that crazy damage which they still bring.
Reprisal being DRK seems to be only in HW, by the time I was around in SB everyone had it so that's not a WAR specific problem.
Most of the people I know have an issue with TBN coming way too late, not it being unfair.
The DPS issue was a big thing with P8S, overtuned as it was but it did show a glaring disparity that needed fixing. Now there's no worrying about lockout anymore. It just so happens that the devs are late buffing DRK's sustain outside of making Living Dead an actual good invuln after two expansions.

Barbarian tanks are too angry to die but PLD's have quite a good support kit(outside of Cover still being nerfed, rest in peace). The identity DRK should try to follow I already mentioned on the other thread. Lean more into MP management and focusing more on just being a powerhouse with shields and offensives, and getting some sustain through souls and blood. GNB are the cracked cousins that try fitting more into their burst window than mitigating normally but that's how they roll.

DRK could benefit from getting patched up along with GNB, and PLD is already a pretty solid tank that's always a pleasure to see. Selfish is trying to bring others down just to make yourself feel better. That much is already known from the sheer WAR hate and skewing of data. But hey, if you want to pretend WAR's hate DRK just because, disregard this post then. I'd love to see it become a deadlier force personally and most people I know are glad when it gets its overdue buffs.

[Kalaam]

"DRK has burst damage so its fine" argument needs to disappear

[GoatOfWar]

Sounds a bit like an overgeneralization. I've never met anyone like that and generally from what I've seen, it's nice to have a DRK around for that crazy damage which they still bring.
Reprisal being DRK seems to be only in HW, by the time I was around in SB everyone had it so that's not a WAR specific problem.
Most of the people I know have an issue with TBN coming way too late, not it being unfair.
The DPS issue was a big thing with P8S, overtuned as it was but it did show a glaring disparity that needed fixing. Now there's no worrying about lockout anymore. It just so happens that the devs are late buffing DRK's sustain outside of making Living Dead an actual good invuln after two expansions.

Barbarian tanks are too angry to die but PLD's have quite a good support kit(outside of Cover still being nerfed, rest in peace). The identity DRK should try to follow I already mentioned on the other thread. Lean more into MP management and focusing more on just being a powerhouse with shields and offensives, and getting some sustain through souls and blood. GNB are the cracked cousins that try fitting more into their burst window than mitigating normally but that's how they roll.

DRK could benefit from getting patched up along with GNB, and PLD is already a pretty solid tank that's always a pleasure to see. Selfish is trying to bring others down just to make yourself feel better. That much is already known from the sheer WAR hate and skewing of data. But hey, if you want to pretend WAR's hate DRK just because, disregard this post then. I'd love to see it become a deadlier force personally and most people I know are glad when it gets its overdue buffs.

You must not be very active in the FF sphere if you think that most War players genuinely care about tank balance.
The bald streamer and warrior playerbase have already established that damage should not be a factor in balance because that wouldn't benefit them, so that's not going to happen.

[Oizen]

Can you imagine the outrage that would happen if Equilibirum was removed from WAR and became a role action lol

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Can you imagine the outrage that would happen if Equilibirum was removed from WAR and became a role action lol

I can. Look at Bloodbath.

The crying over losing Bloodbath to melees in Stormblood was immense.

[Kalaam]

Oh right I forgot Bloodbath was originally a Warrior skill that you had to level for and it being cross class and all.
I mean in exchange they got the absurdity that is current Raw Intuition.

[Shurrikhan]

I can. Look at Bloodbath.

The crying over losing Bloodbath to melees in Stormblood was immense.

To be fair, that'd be like modern DRK losing TBN and Dark Mind combined today.

It was a 33% uptime leech buff for WAR, as compared to just half that for melee, and added to the value of their stance-dancing. It was job-iconic, gameplay-complimentary, and the largest factor in their overall sustain outside of fights with really hard-hitting TBs that Inner Beast could as frequently as possible align with.