Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]And yet you could have decided "I will do The Dead Ends 15 times, Storm's Crown EX 20 times, P8S 10 times to complete this stage of a relic". Earned tomestones through normal play of other content? Spend it on other things like crafting mats or Rains so they aren't available to use toward the relic.

But you didn't. Instead, you opted for the efficient way to get your tomestones as fast as possible.

What do you think it says to others when you state you prefer a grind, you were given the option to grind, and yet you did things the "easy" way?

What do you think that I did when ShB relic asked for 15 Loathsome memories that you can farm either from 15 clears of CT raid or from 15 clears of CLL within BSF?

I did the latter.

I could’ve picked the former. It’s guaranteed 3 memories vs 1 potential memory because Echo & the gain ratio fix was not a thing back then. But I did it anyway. What do you think people say to me when I admitted this?

I don’t need to switch up my daily routine to get EW relic. But if I do the same to any older expac relic, I won’t ever get any of those steps done. There’s a difference between these two. One doesn’t require you to make the commitment to change your pace. The other requires a semblance of choice to make your progress.

Again, I am NOT asking the steps to be EASY or HARD. Even though none of the relics were even hard to begin with. They just require you to make the effort to switch a varied degree of your routine to work for it. EW doesn’t do that to you. If you’ve been doing roulettes since base 6.0? Congrats, that’s all you need to do! What a way to cut corner!

What I personally liked from ShB relics was the fact they gave us the REAL choice on how we would to approach some of the steps. Take bitter memories step as an example, pick your poison: let daily leveling and lucky lv60 capstone roulette fill your inventory, or spam Antsytower, or go into BSF? IMHO they should learn from that model.

[Thurmnmurmn]

It's those participation medals that drive players interest in content.

Past or present, the relic was nothing more than a participation medal.

Savage mount? Participation medal.

Ultimate weapon? Participation medal.

Until players learn to value what they do more than what they get, rewards are just participation medals.

If the previous ones were participation rewards, we wouldn't be hearing square patting their backs over the completion rate of the current ones.

A participation reward is something you can get with little effort. Essentially it's celebrating mediocrity.

Honestly if they continue down this route, I would suggest doing 2 relics. One slightly worst one that you can get the easy way. Then a better one that requires more of a grind in something like exploration content. Maybe even make the harder one dyeable like how savage vs normal raids are.

[Nebelheim]

We need to get you some english lessons asap my man. There is no way in hell that's what you got from me saying I like playing the content I like even if it's not technically the fastest way.

Is that all you have as an argument is to insult people and tell them to "learn English" if they don't agree with you.

[VerdeLuck]

Is that all you have as an argument is to insult people and tell them to "learn English" if they don't agree with you.

When people keep responding to me with "So what you're saying is [Thing I never said]."
It definitely calls into question their reading comprehension. I had to double check and it looks like you've also been guilty of this multiple times in this thread of telling me "you're literally saying" and then folowing it with something I didn't even say.

Maybe actually read the contents of posts before responding to your own delusions of what you think they're saying.

[Eraden]

Mao still thinkings people little bits crazy for wantings the grindings. Mao loves doing quests where each part has own separate meaning and when combined, tell funs story. Skyscale quest long since been done by Mao in GW2 but Mao still has giggles rememberings each part Mao did. Mao skyscale is Mao little buddy and Mao treasures hims always.

[Deceptus]

When you finished a relic from previous expansions, you at least felt something.

Mostly relief that the RNG bullsh!t was over?

Because grinding old, outdated content somehow gave you a sense of pride and accomplishment?

[ChrysOCE]

Mostly relief that the RNG bullsh!t was over?

Because grinding old, outdated content somehow gave you a sense of pride and accomplishment?

Surely that depends on when you were doing the relic, no? It wasn't old, outdated content when the relic was current.

[Deceptus]

Surely that depends on when you were doing the relic, no? It wasn't old, outdated content when the relic was current.

Multiple relic steps had you doing old content to keep the old world "fresh and populated".

[ChrysOCE]

Multiple relic steps had you doing old content to keep the old world "fresh and populated".

And how many steps, out of a relic process, do you believe that was? ARR was all current. HW had some ARR content, but I wouldn't call ARR old/outdated in HW. Stb was self-contained in Eureka. Shb was the only one that you could argue, maybe, as they had you going back to HW areas to do FATES, or doing one time grinds for HW/Stb Raids/FATES. Everything else was optional and you could either do "older" content or obtain in the current content.

[Turtledeluxe]

Multiple relic steps had you doing old content to keep the old world "fresh and populated".

More effectively as well because the roulette earns you the currency/resource exponentially faster. Players probably already have it by the time the patch drops. Seems like a great way to nerf the effect former relics had.

But the theme of XIV now is to respect your time. In fact let's respect it so much that players barely have anything to do and go play other games.