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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeronia View Post
    My apologies for interrupting but if the timeline is as you say it should be present in the game itself and not hidden away in some interview, I would also like a citation of this interview(apologies if you already posted it and I missed it) as the game and short stories on the site itself do not back your view of how the timeline is.
    It was in a live letter. I wish I had noted the number. 58 perhaps?? I will edit when I find it. It's 68 during the portion when the translator is with him for fan q and a.

    Also time travel is not irrelevant in any aspect of story discussion. As it turns out XIV is the story of a meddling time travel who instigates two Primals whose battle results in the sundering. If the major events don't occur in Elpis we don't exist. Let's say laws of causality collapse and its just whatever you want buffet of casuality (which is what people want with these 'give them a choice' takes). If Venat gets to the point of choosing sunder vs don't sunder, she has no way of knowing if another choice othrt than sunder wipes out the future or not.

    So your choices are Venat (and everyone else) lacks agency because the loop is self-sustaining and the future must come to exist so we can play the game OR

    Venat gives the Ancients more choice than we already know she does (as it is shown), finds an alternative, and the game collapses.

    There's no magic situation where Venat finds a solution and the future still persists. None. Zero. So decide what you want, either way it's problematic for Venat whether by the players choice or your story take which leads her to kill off the reflections.

    Also we know from the conversation in Elpis the Ancients had NO concept of the primals. We are the ones who brought it into their plane of thought. Saying "they could have chosen not to" just brings us back to the same loop. You cannot ignore it.

    So no, her culpability doesn't matter. No one's does except Hermes and WoL. There could have been Athena with a gun to Venat's head saying "sunder them" or Venat blood faced and laughing as she drew her sword to sunder. Either way the result is the same and it must be the same for the future to occur.

    And if you think Venat can just willy nilly the future with zero consequence, guess who has joined me on the train to alternate timelines? Because that's the only way she can change events with no effect on the MSq timeline.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 10-19-2023 at 01:00 PM.