What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Theodric]

As mentioned many times, Venat's actions fit the definition of genocide, eugenics and racial replacement perfectly. Ample evidence has been provided showcasing that her actions were intentional. The Sundering was no accident but a deliberate act where she had knowledge of the consequences that would transpire - as well as the complete elimination of her species. In addition, she sought to snuff out memories and knowledge of the Ancients and it if not for Emet-Selch approaching the Warrior of Light then the Amaurot reveal would likely never have come to light.

If someone doesn't want to consider Venat's actions to be classified as that, they're free to do so. What's odd is insisting that other people are somehow wrong for calling it what it is or feigning concern about the use of the word only to then use it to describe the consequences of the Ascians. Which certainly fits the definition as well - though with the added baggage of Venat seeking to spare Emet-Selch knowing full well what the consequences of his actions would be.

At the end of the day many of us in this thread are concerned with how the story as a whole fits together - or rather, doesn't - as opposed to placing specific characters atop a pedestal.

Nobody is expecting everything to align perfectly, though it is a very strange decision for a notoriously preachy story to spend a decade insisting that the protagonists find genocide, eugenics and racial replacement to be reprehensible only to be meek and thankful when it happens in a way that benefits themselves.

Sources can be dismissed, too, or pushed as 'egotistical' though at the end of the day most of the sources being provided and the established lore being contradicted is from either Shadowbringers or Endwalker itself.

I also would have thought it went without saying but supporting a character in a video game does not equal supporting the equivalent of their actions in the real world.

It's also hilarious to read the sniping commentary about this thread still being active - one only has to go to the lore forum to see that many so called lore enthusiasts are still outraged by the actions of the Garleans and Ascians as far back as ARR - a decade ago.

Endwalker has only just come to its conclusion (though if we're being technical, there's still one more patch coming in January). So naturally it is going to be actively discussed here in a thread created for the purpose of critical commentary.

Add in posters swooping in to complain about the thread's existence and the cycle continues. Yet many of the formerly active posters here have since departed - save for a handful - with new posters with similar concerns weighing in over time.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

Add in posters swooping in to complain about the thread's existence and the cycle continues. Yet many of the formerly active posters here have since departed - save for a handful - with new posters with similar concerns weighing in over time.

Yes, but the catch is that I do want that thread to thrive, where else could I find proof that people have no idea what "context" means, and argue for two years over things the vast majority of the playerbase accepted as "necessary means to a cause that can widely be seen as pretty nice : life".

More on point : what I criticize isn't people seeing the game in a different light than I do, people are free to interpret and think whatever they want... But the fact some people go on a crusade for years, using words such as "genocide, eugenics and racial replacement", to describe a fictional situation, without using critical thinking, is really dangerous to me. There are genocides, eugenics and racial replacement IRL, but y'all are here arguing Venat is a bad person.

Touch grass.

[Nayukhuut]

Yes, but the catch is that I do want that thread to thrive, where else could I find proof that people have no idea what "context" means, and argue for two years over things the vast majority of the playerbase accepted as "necessary means to a cause that can widely be seen as pretty nice : life".

More on point : what I criticize isn't people seeing the game in a different light than I do, people are free to interpret and think whatever they want... But the fact some people go on a crusade for years, using words such as "genocide, eugenics and racial replacement", to describe a fictional situation, without using critical thinking, is really dangerous to me. There are genocides, eugenics and racial replacement IRL, but y'all are here arguing Venat is a bad person.

Touch grass.

Yeh, these those things happen in real life, but this is a game forum. This is not the place to discuss real life topics. This thread was created specifically to discuss issues on the story, and that is what people have been doing. That doesn't make any of the things happening in real life less awful, as they most certainly are, but they don't have a place here and no one is referencing them. This is a thread about fictional people in a fictional world on a forum set up for that kind of discourse. Please do not bring real life into this.

As for why people are complaining... Many are complaining because they love this game and just want a place to discuss a different view and vent. There is nothing wrong with that, despite the myriad of posters saying to the contrary.