Make old raid gear purchasable with poetics

[Azlith]

Im sorry you don't have friends, free company members or communities helping you out on that and that you suffer from bad players in party finder.

But I will stick to what I said - the fights are absolute piss after mega echo gets added. If people can't manage simple body mechanics after making DPS and Heal checks irrelevant, then thsy can go and pick up normal mode gear. If you insist on dye, suck it up. Poetics is a boring solution and would just kill the last damn reason to ever step into those fights even unsynced.

Never once said that I didn't have the means to go back and do old savage fights though it was a nice attempt at an insult with the no friends bit. I simply thought it would be a nice change for the community at large. You are right, those old fights are extremely easy now especially unsynced. There is no sense of accomplishment for doing those fights anymore. There is quite literally no reason to not let them be soloable. With the proposed change you can still go back and do them synced or unsynced in a group if you so desire, nothing would be stopping you. I suspect a change like this would be so inconsequential to you that it wouldn't change anything about the game for you at all. But hey maybe I'm wrong and your're one of the two people who stroll through the pf just itching to help people get their old glamours. I actually can't believe the pushback on this, there is literally no good reason to oppose something like this. I have cleared every savage fight this expansion and would have zero qualms with them making all of the pandemonium fights soloable come next expansion, it simply would not effect me.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Never once said that I didn't have the means to go back and do old savage fights though it was a nice attempt at an insult with the no friends bit. I simply thought it would be a nice change for the community at large. You are right, those old fights are extremely easy now especially unsynced. There is no sense of accomplishment for doing those fights anymore. There is quite literally no reason to not let them be soloable. With the proposed change you can still go back and do them synced or unsynced in a group if you so desire, nothing would be stopping you. I suspect a change like this would be so inconsequential to you that it wouldn't change anything about the game for you at all. But hey maybe I'm wrong and your're one of the two people who stroll through the pf just itching to help people get their old glamours. I actually can't believe the pushback on this, there is literally no good reason to oppose something like this. I have cleared every savage fight this expansion and would have zero qualms with them making all of the pandemonium fights soloable come next expansion, it simply would not effect me.

No attempt at insult was made regarding your friend status, the devil in the detail was "friends [...] helping you with that". specifically Savage unsync. If you felt it was an attempted insult then you are free to continue believing that. If you specifically have the means to get what you want, good for you.

I have no problem with people having an easier time to obtain glamour - if I did I'd complain about being able to obtain them with unsync.The reasons I specifically give pushback for both mentioned solutions involve the following:

1.) Making it soloable as in putting in additional dev time into ensuring whatever Savage content you think of can be done with less than 8 players beyond initial development is something I disagree with because I consider it wasted dev time. Inflated stats, higher level skills and echo help more than enough.

2.) Making it available for poetics is a working, but lazy approach and simply kills any and all reason for people to engage with old content beyond very specifically teying to clear it for the challenge. This would drastically lessen the shelf life.

[TomsYoungerBro]

2.) Making it available for poetics is a working, but lazy approach and simply kills any and all reason for people to engage with old content beyond very specifically teying to clear it for the challenge. This would drastically lessen the shelf life.

Not saying Poetics is the move here, but the shelf life on this content is already dead. If you are putting up an old savage of anything outside of the final fight of that tier (for the mount), it takes literal hours to get even a party of 3-4 for most old fights. I remember trying to get e6s glam or glam from like e2s and it taking hours just to get a party of 4-5 lmao.

In short, adding poetics to glam items doesn't kill the shelf life of the content. People do the final tier fights for ulti unlocks and/or the mount and thats it.

[Azlith]

2.) Making it available for poetics is a working, but lazy approach and simply kills any and all reason for people to engage with old content beyond very specifically teying to clear it for the challenge. This would drastically lessen the shelf life.

What even is the shelf life of an old raid? I would say that old raids die as soon as the next one comes out for more than 98 or even 99% of the games playerbase, outside of unlocking the associated ultimate. One could even argue that making the old raids soloable would get more people doing old raids than there currently are. I remember in SHB going back and learning to solo cruise chaser blind, it was a lot of fun. There is also a very high probability that getting people to go back and solo old raids would drum up even more interest in the old content than there currently is, thus extending its "shelf life".

On poetics, I think making old items purchasable is a great idea and extends beyond just helping the players who want old glamour. If you make old gear available to be bought with poetics then you could also remove the old items that were originally used to purchase that gear, ie the book equivalents. These old items could even be deleted from the game freeing up inventory space from players which would have an, albeit small, effect on the servers as every time you open your inventory your client has to ask the server what is in there. You could take this a step further and make it so that you reuse the same item id for the books every expansion. First you would delete the items from players inventory about 1 or 2 weeks before the expansion release, giving players plenty of heads up that this will happen, while simultaneously making the books unobtainable and making the raid gear buyable with poetics. Then rename the items and reuse them for the next set of savage teirs. Doing this would cut back on a lot of the sort of "junk" items that mmos that run for a very long time end up accumulating.