Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[Absimiliard]

Relics are never better than savage weapons until the end of expansion.

This. This right here absolutely murders any reason to even get them. We really need to go back to the old formula. Relic weapons eventually equaling or slightly surpassing savage weapons at the end of each tier was preferable, as it gave casuals access to a strong piece of equipment and allowed raiders an opportunity for (depending on when in the game's life) a sidegrade or slight upgrade.

[Kes13a]

This. This right here absolutely murders any reason to even get them. We really need to go back to the old formula. Relic weapons eventually equaling or slightly surpassing savage weapons at the end of each tier was preferable, as it gave casuals access to a strong piece of equipment and allowed raiders an opportunity for (depending on when in the game's life) a sidegrade or slight upgrade.

the "old formula" basically guaranteed a long and tedious grind for what would ultimately be a piece of glam. few had them except for those that wanted to go through that grind for the prestige of having one because some of them actually look amazing. I am not sure how many went through that just to have a slightly more powerful weapon

[Crescents]

"waaah toxic minority"
Hope this isn't serious because if it is I fear for your sanity but no.

[RaideDuku]

FFXIV Players: You keep telling us we should take a break if we get bored of the game, but we can't because we have no way to quickly get current equipment if we fall behind!
Also FFXIV Players: No, not like that.

[Absimiliard]

the "old formula" basically guaranteed a long and tedious grind for what would ultimately be a piece of glam. few had them except for those that wanted to go through that grind for the prestige of having one because some of them actually look amazing. I am not sure how many went through that just to have a slightly more powerful weapon

Never underestimate the sheer determination of players to get any edge they can, no matter how minute or short-lived it might be.

But in all seriousness, pretty much everyone I knew back then went for the relic weapon of their main job at each step. My neurons scream in agony to this day whenever something triggers a memory of the light farms.

[Lyth]

We really need to go back to the old formula. Relic weapons eventually equaling or slightly surpassing savage weapons at the end of each tier was preferable, as it gave casuals access to a strong piece of equipment and allowed raiders an opportunity for (depending on when in the game's life) a sidegrade or slight upgrade.

The only tier where this was the case mid-expansion was at the very end of SCOB, going into FCOB (with the i115 Nexus weapons). BCOB didn't have a tome weapon, so the i90 Zenith Relic was functionally the tome weapon for that tier, at five ilevels below the raid drop.

This is a non-issue now because there are so many parallel gearing systems for players to get caught up. The new crafted set replaces all the previous raid gear on patch release, and you have the Primal weapons working in tandem with that. There are plenty of existing catch-up systems for even very casual players like yourself to make use of. Five ilevels isn't going to make you suddenly clear content that you can't already.

No, if you want Relics to matter, they have to be tied back to interesting content. Exploratory zones like Eureka and Bozja are the perfect environment for this, because they often introduce in new actions and mechanics that don't work anywhere else. You could have a Relic that is functionally just a tome weapon outside, but grants you unique job-specific effects when you're in the exploratory zone. Perhaps the relic strengthens a specific job action or grants it a second charge, giving you more power to fight dangerous mobs and unlock later zones. You could make a case for creating zone-specific effects to justify the existence of other parallel weapon systems as well, like the Deep Dungeon weapons.

[Supersnow845]

It’s almost an achievement that every single thread or comment by petthismiqote can actually be this bad

I’m more impressed than angry that if you genuinely hold these opinions that you are this offended at putting in even a modicum of effort and if you are a troll you manage to hit this many pain points this effectively

[Banriikku]

In elemenary school we had a sportfestival with prices and what not. I got a price for placing 4th, a little trophy made by students. An absolut hideous, ugly thing... but i keep it to this day because its earned. I did go to a seminar for the company i work for and at the end we had a teambuiling exercise and we all got a trophy handed because "we all are winners".... i did throw away this thing the moment i reached the parking lot of the hotel. It never reached my home, not even my car.

Endwalker relics are handouts without any meaning or purpose besides to populate the pf. Mandervill is something i love and find funny to no end but to make it mandatory is nonsense and lazy. Everything SE did in EW after 6.0 patches is recycle, repeat, stretch and reduce. I cant wait when we reach the point where relics a quest rewards are with just clicking on a NPC and thats it, done in 5 minutes. No i got one better: MOGSTATION.

Relics are normally for the collectors crowd and min/max for what ever but relics are by no stretch a good or meaningfull way to get BIS besides some special cases. Go savage and be done. So can i have my cool, exploration bling bling back ? You can craft, fish, huntrain, triple triad, etc. to youre hearts content - i want the exploration Zones and their Relics back. I love Eureka and Bozja, you can dislike it all you want but the game has your back with other stuff.

[NekoMataMata]

It’s almost an achievement that every single thread or comment by petthismiqote can actually be this bad

I’m more impressed than angry that if you genuinely hold these opinions that you are this offended at putting in even a modicum of effort and if you are a troll you manage to hit this many pain points this effectively

They're trolling. They've spent the last week necroing threads in the same fashion that Titanmen's alts do.

I don't think it's Titanmen though. These posts aren't Titan's style. Titanmen is usually negative, and they usually exaggerate a fair bit to the point where it's hard not to see their threads as satirical. This alt exaggerates but it's almost believable. Like if I didn't play the game or if I were a casual MSQ only player I would probably fall for it. I guess it helps that they also seem to know just what gets on people's nerves.

They've completely killed my motivation for posting on the forums though... They've necro'd some older threads that people are still posting/arguing on and keeping active on the front page. The handful of threads that haven't been complete dumpster fires have just been uninteresting too, so the forums are dead to me at this point.

[Hanayumi]

Heres what I think SE should do, keep the 1500 tome weapons, consider it as just catch up gear and call it something else. Bring back a real relic weapon with a very heavy grind, give it plenty of options like Bozja weapon but tie it to nothing specific, make it as an alternative to raid/aug tome weapons bis that you can obtain by at least by every odd patch.