Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[PyurBlue]

It's very curious how immediately after their method of abusing the system got patched out, there's all these threads popping up about how we need to suddenly undo it.

Then show us. Show us where someone is asking to go back to how things were before.

What is actually happening is that people are complaining about a poorly implemented solution and offering suggestions to fix it. If you want to pretend that people are asking for something else, that's on you. It's been explained over and over, and there are even posts showing that the flaw in SE's solution was visible before it was introduced. I can understanding people misinterpreting things, but what is being asked for is so clear that I have hard time believing that anything but willful ignorance is at play.

[Erzaa]

It's very curious how immediately after their method of abusing the system got patched out

Don't make sweeping statements like that as if you know why I'm suddenly posting.

I'm posting suddenly, because until the patch, CT was nothing but an annoyance to me. It was the playerbase throwing out half-baked solutions at the devs, asking them to implement them without thinking ahead at who they might impact in the process. I never had any reason to post on the forums until now.

there's all these threads popping up about how we need to suddenly undo it.

Except I don't want it undone, I want it to be improved. Which you'd know, if you read anything I've said throughout this thread. As does everyone else who is in favour here.

When people have an issue with Eureka, they are told to buy the gear off the MB, when people have issues getting DR parties for Bozja, they are told to buy the essences off the MB.

Eureka and Bozja have absolutely no relevance here, this is purely a strawman argument. What exactly changed for Eureka and Bozja?

The Alliance Roulette used to work for everyone, and now it doesn't work for a subset of the playerbase, simple as that.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Then show us. Show us where someone is asking to go back to how things were before.

What is actually happening is that people are complaining about a poorly implemented solution and offering suggestions to fix it. If you want to pretend that people are asking for something else, that's on you. It's been explained over and over, and there are even posts showing that the flaw in SE's solution was visible before it was introduced. I can understanding people misinterpreting things, but what is being asked for is so clear that I have hard time believing that anything but willful ignorance is at play.

No U!


They should just have it where the ilv requirement for queuing into the raid depends on msq progress where its at its highest once youre in current game.

But then youll start hearing people saying that we'll have players purposefully not even advance the story to just get CT which honestly that will be extremely hilarious if that ever becomes a thing.

[Erzaa]

No U!


They should just have it where the ilv requirement for queuing into the raid depends on msq progress where its at its highest once youre in current game.

But then youll start hearing people saying that we'll have players purposefully not even advance the story to just get CT which honestly that will be extremely hilarious if that ever becomes a thing.

I don't follow. You want to block everyone out from AR entirely until they're at current expansion? What's the point of AR, XP leveling, Poetics and such then? Might as well remove the roulette entirely and people can queue the 24man raids directly then.

Unless I misunderstood your post?

[Atelier-Bagur]

I don't follow. You want to block everyone out from AR entirely until they're at current expansion? What's the point of AR, XP leveling, Poetics and such then? Might as well remove the roulette entirely and people can queue the 24man raids directly then.

Unless I misunderstood your post?

Yes you did misunderstand. I suggest you calm the heck down my darling.

Anyway what I mean was them to make the alliance raid roulette requirement be dynamic based on the player's msq progress. Where depending on where you are at, it'll demand you to have the ilv requiremnt based on the previous expansion's max ilv. You cant ilv cheese it because it'll lock you out from queuing if you try to lower it for the early expansion raids but it wont bar you out from participating any of the ones you've unlocked by demanding you to have an ilv based on your intended current level.

[Erzaa]

Yes you did misunderstand. I suggest you calm the heck down my darling.

Anyway what I mean was them to make the alliance raid roulette requirement be dynamic based on the player's msq progress. Where depending on where you are at, it'll demand you to have the ilv requiremnt based on the previous expansion's max ilv. You cant ilv cheese it because it'll lock you out from queuing if you try to lower it for the early expansion raids but it wont bar you out from participating any of the ones you've unlocked by demanding you to have an ilv based on your intended current level.

Oh! My apologies. Then yes, that's what I'm asking for as well.

[VerdeLuck]

Eureka and Bozja have absolutely no relevance here, this is purely a strawman argument. What exactly changed for Eureka and Bozja?

Says who? Says you because it hurts your argument?
Doesn't work that way. This affects a small minority of players who are overleveled for their MSQ progress. THere are solutions to this that are cheap and easy like using other jobs, gearing from the marketboard for cheap, asking friends to craft them gear. All taht don't involve dismantling or neutering a system that has done some real good in improving the queue times for the later alliance raids.
When I had issues with both Eureka and Bozja I was told to go buy the gear off the Marketboard instead of having a solution pushed through Square to fix things for a small number of people. The same applies here.

Use a different job, buy the gear off the marketboard, ask a friend or someone out of NN to make you the gear.

[Erzaa]

Says who? Says you because it hurts your argument?
Doesn't work that way. This affects a small minority of players who are overleveled for their MSQ progress. THere are solutions to this that are cheap and easy like using other jobs, gearing from the marketboard for cheap, asking friends to craft them gear. All taht don't involve dismantling or neutering a system that has done some real good in improving the queue times for the later alliance raids.
When I had issues with both Eureka and Bozja I was told to go buy the gear off the Marketboard instead of having a solution pushed through Square to fix things for a small number of people. The same applies here.

Use a different job, buy the gear off the marketboard, ask a friend or someone out of NN to make you the gear.

No, because it's completely irrelevant to the argument.

Eureka and Bozja are not related to the Duty Roulette, they're content that's always been done by fewer players, they haven't been altered in any way whatsoever. They are objectively completely unrelated to the argument being presented.

And I farmed Eureka and I'm currently farming Zadnor right now and have never complained about either of them. They're miserable experiences but that's what they were always designed to be.

And who said anything about dismantling or neutering any system whatsoever? Where did you read that? We're asking for the current system to be improved, made better, to accommodate those people that are being punished.

Additional Thoughts: If you have some argument, proposal to improve Bozja and Eureka, maybe start a thread on it, and if it's good, I'll support it.

[Xeronia]

Says who? Says you because it hurts your argument?
Doesn't work that way. This affects a small minority of players who are overleveled for their MSQ progress. THere are solutions to this that are cheap and easy like using other jobs, gearing from the marketboard for cheap, asking friends to craft them gear. All taht don't involve dismantling or neutering a system that has done some real good in improving the queue times for the later alliance raids.
When I had issues with both Eureka and Bozja I was told to go buy the gear off the Marketboard instead of having a solution pushed through Square to fix things for a small number of people. The same applies here.

Use a different job, buy the gear off the marketboard, ask a friend or someone out of NN to make you the gear.

It really isn't that hard to out level the story especially if you ended up on a preferred world, they should have tied this to MSQ progression or made further expansion tomestone gear available at the Rowena vendors so you have a non-market board way to get the ilvl. Just a small bit bit of evidence I have a level 80 alt that just be beat Thordan. All I did was do my daily roulette and Frontline on him while doing the story rather slowly.

[PyurBlue]

No U!


They should just have it where the ilv requirement for queuing into the raid depends on msq progress where its at its highest once youre in current game.

But then youll start hearing people saying that we'll have players purposefully not even advance the story to just get CT which honestly that will be extremely hilarious if that ever becomes a thing.

I'm not sure how to respond. You just did exactly what I said I was trying to do, ie suggest an improvement to the situation.

It's not what I would consider ideal, which would be splitting the AR roulette, but at least checking against MSQ avoids the problem SE just created, so I'd support it over what we have now.

Says who?

It's common sense isn't it? The ilvl problem in the Alliance Raid exists regardless of other content. You can't point to something unrelated and expect to build an argument around it because those unrelated issues change nothing about what is being discussed here. The existence of problem A does not make problem B acceptable.

This affects a small minority of players

Assumed without numbers because it supports your argument.
A wants of a minority group do not need to oppose those of the majority.
You're also assuming that there is a majority rather than a plurality.

THere are solutions to this that are cheap and easy like using other jobs, gearing from the marketboard for cheap, asking friends to craft them gear.

All debatable and situational, as has been explained. But more than that, all of these are needless complications. They are bothersome and inconsistent with the rest of the game, naturally this creates a demand for a fix.

All taht don't involve dismantling or neutering a system that has done some real good in improving the queue times for the later alliance raids.

Assumed without numbers because it supports your argument.
We don't have the sample size to see any effect yet.
We're at a point in the expansion cycle where the AR is biased toward the endgame instead of CT.
While some have been casually noting the results of the AR roulette post patch, I don't think I've seen anyone with a control list to compare the pre patch results, allowing for bias to run rampant in comparisons.

When I had issues with both Eureka and Bozja I was told to go buy the gear off the Marketboard instead of having a solution pushed through Square to fix things for a small number of people. The same applies here.

You're right the same does apply here. We should not have to use workarounds when the root problem can be fixed. I have the same stance in both cases.

Use a different job, buy the gear off the marketboard, ask a friend or someone out of NN to make you the gear.

Or let SE know they messed up and give them suggestions on how to fix things to make the game better for everyone. That's what the forum is for. I know which I prefer, but you can do what works for you.