Jobs should gain their core rotations much earlier

[Renathras]

RDM is a bad example of having "essentially its rotation done at 60", though, as I pointed out in that other thread:
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If the addition of a single action or action pair ten levels later invalidates habits allowed or encouraged for the 50 levels prior, the "core" action set is incomplete. We should get weaker Vercombofinishers (Verquake? Verfreeze?) as soon as we get Redoublement.

It really does, though. The concept of the party buff (Embolden) and of using Manification to get to a melee combo are both there at 60. So are Swiftcast and Acceleration, and all your oGCD attacks. The only things you're missing out on are Verraise (64) and Magick Barrier (84) as situational abilities, Reprise (76) which is a movement tool that's generally avoided, and upgrades to Jolt II (62), Verthunder III and Veraero III (82), and Impact (66), none of which alter the rotation. The 50/50 would be a good point, except you generally aren't landing at EXACTLY 50/50 at any point, and it's extremely easy to tap your balance off from that and easy to learn at 68/70 when it matters. It doesn't change the overall core rotation or concept of the Job in ways that are really significant. It doesn't change the short-long cast cycles, and it doesn't change that you go into your burst once you have the mana for it unless you're holding for burst, where you also exploit Manafication and Embolden to boost damage and fit in more burst combos.

The ability to choose Holy or Flare is not a difficult evolution, and it doesn't completely alter the rotation.

Contrast something like BLM, where the rotation shifts significantly over the course of leveling, or PLD where it changes once you get Requiescat and again when you get Attonement.

RDM is "essentially" done at 60. I didn't say it was "completely" done, because it's not - nothing is, not even WAR. But the overall flow of the Job, how things work, the timers, the weaves, and the concept of overall how it works IS done by then. If you sync down from 90 to 60 on RDM, you can play it mostly the same. You're ABLE, if you want, to melee at 50/50, but you can keep going melee at 51/50 and are not harmed by doing so. That's what I mean.

As for someone leveling, presumably they at last glance at their tooltips. If they don't, then the conversation is moot anyway since they wouldn't even know what manafication does or why 50/50 is needed for the melee combos.

The first thing that needs to be considered, if you want to go down this path, is what counts as 'the core rotation' for the jobs?

This is honestly the bigger thing. Some Jobs it's pretty easy to define this (SMN and WAR, for example), but some Jobs, less so. Is Atonement part of the "core" PLD rotation? Holy Might? Requiescat? But aren't Swords? Is Holy Spirit x4 an adequate low level substitute?

It can be a tricky question for some Jobs, so that's a fair point.

For me personally, I think players should be exposed to the main concepts of the Job (for RDM, this would be short-long casts, the melee burst phase, oGCD weaves, and the enhancements to it with Manafication; for WAR, the 1-2-3, -4 upkeep buff, the 1 min CD, and the Beast Gauge spender) and have the complete rotation, if applicable, by level 60 at the latest. Additional charges to things (e.g. Acceleration's second charge), situational abilities (e.g. Magick Barrier), and so on are the things that should be pushed to the later part of the leveling experience, once players actually have encounters that flex them and the other Jobs have more of theirs to work together with.

WHM doesn't even get its first Lily spell (core to its endgame gameplay) until 52, and doesn't get Misery until 74. That's basically the core that WHM's gameplay is built around now, alongside using oGCDs to heal (you don't get your first of those until 50, and it's Benediction - this should probably be swapped with Tetragrammaton at 60).

I would look at ARR's Class/Job split for this one.

Agree with basically all of this post.