The Allagans and Space (MSQ Spoilers)

[Limecat]

TWEEST incoming: The next big threat will be an Allagan reclamation fleet coming from one of their colony worlds where their civilization continued and thrived without interruption. Or maybe even, that supposed tech-oriented reflection is where the colony/exploration ships ended up by accident, and now that things have gotten looser aether and dynamis-wise, they launch a campaign back to the source to reclaim it.

[Karious]

The Sighsteeing Log for Heimdall's Last Sight states that the crashed ship was an observation craft sent to the heavens to monitor Dalamud, and only crashed in Mare Lamentorum around the time of Dalamud's fall 5 years ago.

[Brightamethyst]

You can see there's a crashed Allagan ship on the moon, perhaps it tried to land there and was destroyed by the barrier?

IIRC that ship was part of the Dalamud debris and only crashed on the moon 5 years ago.

[MikkoAkure]

The Crystal Towers do not operate without the presence of Allags. For the 8th Umbral Calamity, the presence of G'raha Tia allowed Cid to do his research on the alternate timeline.

Without the presence of any Allags, the Crystal Towers become functionless for security reasons. To say the Allagan Empire does not exist, we need to remember that Amon's clone casted a powerful spell to stop the flow of time within the tower, lulling the surviving Allags and clones inside into a deep slumber.

Amon's clone put a part of the Allagan Empire to sleep inside the crystal tower during the Calamity of Earth (4th Umbral Calamity).

We only know of G'raha Tia, but there may be others inside the tower in a deep slumber.

G’raha Tia is not an Allagan. He is a Corvosi expat from Sharlayan whose ancestor 5000 years ago was gifted a biological marker by Allagan Princess Selina that would allow him and his descendants to be considered as royalty by Allagan machinery. Years of subsequent generations had diluted it to the point where G’raha was the only one of his generation with it and he didn’t even have the full version until Doga and Unei (the only 2 non-hostile clones locked in the tower) fixed it by doing the same thing Selina did to his ancestor to him.

Also, a tower having a bunch of insane clones in stasis doesn’t mean that the Allagan Empire still exists. It ceased to function as an actual country 5000 years ago.

[TempusFinis]

I personally don't see anywhere in the FF14 lore that a 'biological marker' was ever used, and when I Google the term, I don't see how a measurement in a cell is relevant....

...however, carrying the Allag royal bloodline with Allag physical traits does make G'ratia Tia Allag.

Regarding the disappearance of the Allags, we must not forget about Koh Rabntah.* She is possessed by an Allag whose true name is Noah, the Allagan Archmage.

Between the great slumber caused by Amon's clone during the Calamity of Earth and Allag spirits possessing Eorzeans unbeknownst to them, the Allagan Empire may be a lot closer to the source than everyone realizes...

[Jonnycbad]

A vast majority of Allagan tech was due to the Allagans reverse engineering Omega, and therefore Omicron technology. This is likely how they developed space-faring capability.

[MikkoAkure]

I personally don't see anywhere in the FF14 lore that a 'biological marker' was ever used, and when I Google the term, I don't see how a measurement in a cell is relevant....

...however, carrying the Allag royal bloodline with Allag physical traits does make G'ratia Tia Allag.

Regarding the disappearance of the Allags, we must not forget about Koh Rabntah.* She is possessed by an Allag whose true name is Noah, the Allagan Archmage.

Between the great slumber caused by Amon's clone during the Calamity of Earth and Allag spirits possessing Eorzeans unbeknownst to them, the Allagan Empire may be a lot closer to the source than everyone realizes...

I have no idea what you were googling but a marker in this context is a specific genetic code. It wasn't said outright in the lore because no one in the setting outside the Allagans and maybe the Garleans have discovered or understand DNA and genetics yet. But we can guess it's something similar because their princess "gifted" something to G'raha's ancestor that is passed down through his descendants and is shown with a specific phenotype (red eyes) that is later diluted after 5 millennia of subsequent generations to the point where there's only 1 descendant left with the active gene and even then he only has 1 red eye. Unei and Doga showed us that G'raha's alteration can be done magically and we have no evidence of Miqo'te-Hyur hybrids so it's likely he's not even directly descended from Selina.

G'raha isn't Allagan. I still don't understand that logic. He didn't come from Allag. Allag collapsed 5000 years ago. His ancestors were Allagan in that they lived in the Allagan Empire, but the same could be said of probably everyone alive on the Three Great Continents. 1 guy who has altered genetic code to make Allagan technology believe he is a royal doesn't mean "the Allagan Empire assisted in the project to build the Tycoon". Allagan technology was repurposed for the greater project because it utilized the Crystal Tower, but the Tycoon (the Alexander thing) was built by Garlond Ironworks and IIRC it even has their symbol slapped on it.

I don't know what you're trying to get at either because a bunch of insane clones and 1 ghost doesn't suddenly mean the Allagan Empire survived or is back and none of them had anything at all to do with the project to prevent the 8UC.


Back to the topic at hand, it would be neat to learn of possible Allagan space exploration beyond orbit, but I am hoping for a break from the usual suspects for at least 1 expansion. Though if my crazy string-and-corkboard theory about the cloud cover on the map is correct, we may be going to Meracydia in Dawntrail anyway and we'll learn more about the Allagans and potentially Dalamud then.

[Absimiliard]

I personally don't see anywhere in the FF14 lore that a 'biological marker' was ever used, and when I Google the term, I don't see how a measurement in a cell is relevant....

...however, carrying the Allag royal bloodline with Allag physical traits does make G'ratia Tia Allag.

G'raha's ancestor was imbued with characteristics of the Allagan royal blood through technology. Those characteristics were then passed down from generation to generation, descendants on occasion being born with a single red eye. It's implied G'raha is likely to be the last one, however, as the blood has simply grown too thin. The characteristics imbued into his ancestor did not change his species; he remaind Miqo'te, simply with certain properties unique to Allag's ruling class that would permit him to interface with their technology.

A vast majority of Allagan tech was due to the Allagans reverse engineering Omega, and therefore Omicron technology. This is likely how they developed space-faring capability.

Space travel is implied to be one of their earlier feats. We don't know when they came into contact with Omega, but we do know it was after they'd reached a point where they could comprehend and control it.

[Karious]

Lol the entire thread devolved into people arguing about G'raha and his genetic marker. T_T

[Asdif_Laoeg]

If they tried to travel in space i think the ships they send stopped giving answers at some distance since the crew had probably died. Remember that the allagans had less aether than the people of the actuel time since they lived in a time with less sundering. And with the less aether per person they had they are more easy to be influenced from meteions song. With this we could see them die if they got to far away from the planet and its aether shield.