Healing is not hard

[Moogly]

Haha..
I don't play healer, so I won't really know, but from my impressions on last raids from a PF only perspective, the content is hard enough to heal...

So forum healers usually being on the more skillfull side (and also quite on the egotrip side lets be honest), all will disagree and say that the content is dead easy.
This is even more true if you get healers exclusively playing in a static.

However for PF the difficulty is well balanced.
Example, I've only ran once with a healer binome that didn't needed lb3 to pass harrowing hell.
Each and everytime lb3 was spent beforehand a failed bond 3 or w/ever, we would inevitably wipe on harrowing hell due to healers not being able to heal through, despite throwing all the mitig we, non-healers, could.
Or the speedo run.... boy did PF healers struggle with that.
There are so many moments I felt healers were just overwhelmed with the quantity of "regular" damage - not even talking about when people (and I) messed up...

Maybe they should add special achievements for people finding it too easy ?
They used to do something like that in WoW, in which if you did the fight with certain handicaps (not clearing certains debuffs or killing adds) you'd get an achievement.
There would be one or more for each boss fight, and upon completing all achievements, you'd be of course rewarded a super mount...

[Zakuyia]

Like many have stated healing difficulty is based on party. Sometimes healing a DRK can feel like hell on earth other times healing a DRK can be a breeze its. Healing is weird. It can be hard or easy same can be said about tanking and playing dps honestly.

[Sani2341]

Haha..
I don't play healer, so I won't really know, but from my impressions on last raids from a PF only perspective, the content is hard enough to heal...

So forum healers usually being on the more skillfull side (and also quite on the egotrip side lets be honest), all will disagree and say that the content is dead easy.
This is even more true if you get healers exclusively playing in a static.

However for PF the difficulty is well balanced.
Example, I've only ran once with a healer binome that didn't needed lb3 to pass harrowing hell.
Each and everytime lb3 was spent beforehand a failed bond 3 or w/ever, we would inevitably wipe on harrowing hell due to healers not being able to heal through, despite throwing all the mitig we, non-healers, could.
Or the speedo run.... boy did PF healers struggle with that.
There are so many moments I felt healers were just overwhelmed with the quantity of "regular" damage - not even talking about when people (and I) messed up...

Maybe they should add special achievements for people finding it too easy ?
They used to do something like that in WoW, in which if you did the fight with certain handicaps (not clearing certains debuffs or killing adds) you'd get an achievement.
There would be one or more for each boss fight, and upon completing all achievements, you'd be of course rewarded a super mount...

So what do you think these healers are doing the majority of the time outside the short bit where HH ruins their day?

Did you guess "pres the same one gcd button 100+ times"? Bc that's the issue with healers.
Not the difficulty of healer checks, but how boring healing is the vast majority of time and in most content.

Granted I have only tanked savage this expac (and with a static) but even when I poke my head into PF for healing EX trials, unless you need to drag a prog party to enrage despite someone licking every aoe and thus needing special Babysitter Attention, it is exceedingly monotonous in between the few handfull of heal checks.

[Renathras]

Haha..
I don't play healer, so I won't really know, but from my impressions on last raids from a PF only perspective, the content is hard enough to heal...

So forum healers usually being on the more skillfull side (and also quite on the egotrip side lets be honest), all will disagree and say that the content is dead easy.
This is even more true if you get healers exclusively playing in a static.

However for PF the difficulty is well balanced.
Example, I've only ran once with a healer binome that didn't needed lb3 to pass harrowing hell.
Each and everytime lb3 was spent beforehand a failed bond 3 or w/ever, we would inevitably wipe on harrowing hell due to healers not being able to heal through, despite throwing all the mitig we, non-healers, could.
Or the speedo run.... boy did PF healers struggle with that.
There are so many moments I felt healers were just overwhelmed with the quantity of "regular" damage - not even talking about when people (and I) messed up...

Maybe they should add special achievements for people finding it too easy ?
They used to do something like that in WoW, in which if you did the fight with certain handicaps (not clearing certains debuffs or killing adds) you'd get an achievement.
There would be one or more for each boss fight, and upon completing all achievements, you'd be of course rewarded a super mount...

Hm...yeah, pretty much this, honestly.

EDIT:

I think this, and/or Mage Tower style solo challenges with cosmetic rewards, would be a great addition to this game for the skilled players to test themselves against. Issue is, it gatekeeps less skilled players from being able to complete it, and SE is very unlikely to want to lock 'the cool new thing' behind challenging content (especially if it cannot be unsynced later). Just look how many times you see people asking for old Ults to be unsyncable

Honestly, they may just do more Criterion Dungeon type stuff.

Make a set of content, give it a spread of difficulties, that way everyone gets the same story and such out of it, and make the high end rewards MB-able for the people that really want them.

Criterion is actually a good system since it allows for MSQ, normal, hard, extreme, savage, ultimate levels of difficulty while everyone gets to "see" the content and it's still overall accessible.

[ForsakenRoe]

Maybe they should add special achievements for people finding it too easy ?
They used to do something like that in WoW, in which if you did the fight with certain handicaps (not clearing certains debuffs or killing adds) you'd get an achievement.
There would be one or more for each boss fight, and upon completing all achievements, you'd be of course rewarded a super mount...

I think this, and/or Mage Tower style solo challenges with cosmetic rewards, would be a great addition to this game for the skilled players to test themselves against. Issue is, it gatekeeps less skilled players from being able to complete it, and SE is very unlikely to want to lock 'the cool new thing' behind challenging content (especially if it cannot be unsynced later). Just look how many times you see people asking for old Ults to be unsyncable

[Astrahime]

I think this, and/or Mage Tower style solo challenges with cosmetic rewards, would be a great addition to this game for the skilled players to test themselves against. Issue is, it gatekeeps less skilled players from being able to complete it, and SE is very unlikely to want to lock 'the cool new thing' behind challenging content (especially if it cannot be unsynced later). Just look how many times you see people asking for old Ults to be unsyncable

We have The Necromancer, Lone Hero, and The Once and Future Monarch. Oh, and ALL OF THE BOZJA DUELS.
Ranked PvP doesn't count because it's PvP, and crafting is crafting.

[Raikai]

Haha..
I don't play healer, so I won't really know, but from my impressions on last raids from a PF only perspective, the content is hard enough to heal....

As a Party Finder raider, I actually find healing challenging, and that's simply due to the inconsistency of people in the Party Finder, especially your co-healer.

I said this in other thread, but I'm constantly throwing GCD healing because I don't trust them, which hurts my personal DPS as a healer... But that's okay, I guess. Add to the fact that people are not consistent with their mechanic resolving, so you might have to exhaust your spot healing ogcds pretty fast. Or tanks that don't mit properly and eat so much from the tankbusters that you need to spam your single target heal. Or just having to stop so much to rez on stuff the prog point is past by because people lie about where they progged at.

While I find 'glarespam' boring, I also don't know how well I'd do in the Party Finder with a much more complex rotation, so that's kind of a conundrum to me, lol.

[Zolvolt]

As a Party Finder raider, I actually find healing challenging, and that's simply due to the inconsistency of people in the Party Finder, especially your co-healer.

I said this in other thread, but I'm constantly throwing GCD healing because I don't trust them, which hurts my personal DPS as a healer... But that's okay, I guess. Add to the fact that people are not consistent with their mechanic resolving, so you might have to exhaust your spot healing ogcds pretty fast. Or tanks that don't mit properly and eat so much from the tankbusters that you need to spam your single target heal. Or just having to stop so much to rez on stuff the prog point is past by because people lie about where they progged at.

While I find 'glarespam' boring, I also don't know how well I'd do in the Party Finder with a much more complex rotation, so that's kind of a conundrum to me, lol.

As a PF healer I have a love/hate relationship with this kind of thing. I main ast and sub sch and on the tree boss this expansion I fully went scholar because we kept getting scholars who would sooner let the tanks die to the dot than use aetherflow to heal it, which would cause me to GCD heal completely erasing the benefit of their energy drains.

On the first boss of the current tier I played scholar again because shield healers in PF are now the bane of my existence, but I had my OGCD's planned perfectly with what the whm we had would do both on pull and for the first fire/ice/lightning to the point where neither of us had to GCD heal, and then they started using medica 2 on every aoe.

This made me so mad. It wasn't needed, we had it perfect.

Then on p8s as scholar I had a whm who didn't want to use regen on the dots towards the end. I was over there using all my aetherflow flow and faeries link on them and they threw a fit about having to "soil their dps" to regen them. I just could not. Keep in mind I was already losing GCD for spreadlo to counter all the damage and mitigate dot damage there.

I hate the current design of healing because it's literally a "do as little as possible" game and it's the reason for almost all of the struggles I have with healing partners in savage.

[ForsakenRoe]

I hate the current design of healing because it's literally a "do as little as possible" game and it's the reason for almost all of the struggles I have with healing partners in savage.

I feel like this can be solved (partially) by having design where our damage builds towards healing tools, and healing tools build towards damage. Like, WHMs are fine with smacking Plenary Rapture when it's needed, because it doesn't cost damage, you get it back via Misery

Knowing SE though, instead of an actual gameplay loop like me/others have suggested, they'd go 'oh okay so here's a new thing at 98: a trait that makes Thin Air also cause the next garbo-GCD like Medica2 or Cure2 nourish the Blood Lily by one step'. Now you can Med2 and it's 'technically damage neutral' but like... damn that'd be bland