Dawntrail Media Tour Wishlist Survey

[ForsakenRoe]

I wonder how many people have to fill in the surveys, or how many surveys have to be done, or if it has to be an official run SE survey, before all the accusations of 'there is some sort of trickery afoot with the results' dies down

[Aravell]

I wonder how many people have to fill in the surveys, or how many surveys have to be done, or if it has to be an official run SE survey, before all the accusations of 'there is some sort of trickery afoot with the results' dies down

It feels kind of like nitpicking at this point. Especially since we don't have any way to be certain one way or another. But given the fact that MNK is in the same boat as BLM (lower playerbase and praise for higher skill ceiling) and the fact that they both have roughly the same scores (generous spread of above average score), I'd say everything looks fine to me.

I will say though, SMN being rated with so many 0s is very likely due to the fact that they deleted the entirety of the old playstyle and a lot of people who used to main it are dissatisfied. Is their dissatisfaction invalid? Are they to be reduced only to "votebombs"?

[ForsakenRoe]

I will say though, SMN being rated with so many 0s is very likely due to the fact that they deleted the entirety of the old playstyle and a lot of people who used to main it are dissatisfied. Is their dissatisfaction invalid? Are they to be reduced only to "votebombs"?

I also wonder how much of it is the perceived lack of 'room to grow', that is, we have one single Ruin 3 as filler in each 60s loop. All that can really be added to change up the GCD loop is something that replaces that Ruin 3, or VFX reskins (eg using the other 3 summons after Phoenix). Beyond that, it's just going to be OGCDs, presumably. The rework's been here for only one expansion and it's already painted into a corner on what can be added to it

It will be interesting, I think, if the new caster is effectively '5.0 SMN without pet jank (because it has no pet)', because I'd like to see how many people ditch the current SMN and play 'the old SMN'.

[AmiableApkallu]

Yeah. Even supposing that trickery is afoot... is that not itself an interesting data point? Why is it that only SMN is subject to it? Healers also don't exactly get a lot of love here on the forums, and yet they don't engender the same "trickery," apparently.

[Renathras]

Yeah. Even supposing that trickery is afoot... is that not itself an interesting data point? Why is it that only SMN is subject to it? Healers also don't exactly get a lot of love here on the forums, and yet they don't engender the same "trickery," apparently.

They do, but to a lesser extent.

Anyway, I'm not going to go into it further. If people want to believe this at face value, that's fine. It's probably incorrect, but it's hardly the first time Humans have chosen that option.

I just hate explaining why I think a thing is true and, instead of an actual reply addressing that "I see what you mean, but what about..." or "Fair, but counterpoint...", and instead it's just some hyperbolic strawman.

EDIT:

Every survey inevitably has limitations, but that doesn’t also mean it has nothing to say. Even a small sample size can still reveal something interesting. Generalising that to a whole group is much more difficult, but that doesn’t make smaller samples less valuable.

I agree with this, and it's my point.

I have said this whole time I think the survey is useful despite this, have I not? I've even been one cross posting it to other threads with a similar topic to get more responses.

I also agree with the "why" of it. The problem is, you have to match the responses to the written answers at the bottom (not sure if it does this on the backend or not) to see what that is. For example, if a lot of 0s had as their long form answer something like "I loved old SMN and hate this one <insert negative adjectives like "braindead">", then we might conclude that it's vote bombing by people who want its average to look low in the hopes SMN gets changed. On the other hand, if it's people posting about specific things they dislike about it and why, that might be more useful. We need a way to parse out the people angry at losing old SMN from the people that legitimately dislike the mechanics, since those are two different arguments and different potential solutions. e.g. if new SMN had been an entirely new Job and old SMN existed, that hate wouldn't exist, thus it isn't "useful" in that sense other than "These people need/want a DoT Job". Which IS useful information, but doesn't tell us anything about whether new SMN is bad ON ITS OWN MERITS or not.

But as you say, most people don't rate things 0 or 10, much less that many 0s. For example, I dislike a lot of Jobs, but I still will rate them a 3 or so.

[ty_taurus]

The problem is, you have to match the responses to the written answers at the bottom (not sure if it does this on the backend or not) to see what that is. For example, if a lot of 0s had as their long form answer something like "I loved old SMN and hate this one <insert negative adjectives like "braindead">", then we might conclude that it's vote bombing by people who want its average to look low in the hopes SMN gets changed.

I can actually. On google forms, I have the power to look at individual responses (anonymously of course since I set it to not collect emails). I can also download the current responses as an excel sheet, which I just did and threw onto my drive. Here's a link, knock yourself out.

This is just a downloaded file and will not be getting updated as new responses pour in though, so I'll probably delete that after a few days so it's not clogging up my drive and will eventually get outdated anyway.