Make healers DPS with four or five healing actions

[Banriikku]

Make healer DPS ???? Okay.... why do you hate healing so much and still try play healer?
If SE does this they should instead delete holy trinity and stop pretending already.

Also not everything is for everybody. With this in mind please make healers just what they are supposed to be: supporter and healer instead of "i like DPS but want healer ques please make healers DPS, so that i can play DPS with fast ques and F all the healer and supporter players because i dont like it. Please stop having things you like. THX" (a proud memeber of the GCBTW)

Sorry for the salt but hell no to make healers DPS. Whats wrong with a healer or a support role ? We have DPS galore... what do you want with my AST as a DPS??? Thats f-ed up....

[Renathras]

Make healer DPS ???? Okay.... why do you hate healing so much and still try play healer?
If SE does this they should instead delete holy trinity and stop pretending already.

Also not everything is for everybody. With this in mind please make healers just what they are supposed to be: supporter and healer instead of "i like DPS but want healer ques please make healers DPS, so that i can play DPS with fast ques and F all the healer and supporter players because i dont like it. Please stop having things you like. THX" (a proud memeber of the GCBTW)

Sorry for the salt but hell no to make healers DPS. Whats wrong with a healer or a support role ? We have DPS galore... what do you want with my AST as a DPS??? Thats f-ed up....

Sadly, too many people are saying this.

Go to the healer forum and be amazed as that's what they're asking for in almost every thread.

I'm with you, for the record. I don't get it, either. I like healing and this game used to actually demand it back in ARR and HW when healers WEREN'T just "green DPS". The idea we can't have encounters that require more healing when freakin' Ala Mhigo dungeon requires more healing is just absurd.

Also, if you haven't already, someone put up a survey for this kinda thing. Feel free to put your thoughts in: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ishlist-Survey

[TheDustyOne]

Sadly, too many people are saying this.

Go to the healer forum and be amazed as that's what they're asking for in almost every thread.

I've been there. Heck, I post there with some degree of frequency. But no, what I see people ask is to either bring back the feel of older damage kits, or to at least expand beyond Glaroilificosis + Combiodiasis. That doesn't require the farfetched kit that OP proposed here, and most people over in the healer section are happy with a handful of frequent spells we rotate through.

Heck, you've seen my SCH, you even admitted yourself that it sounded fun to play, even if the DoTs were not to your tastes. What I had didn't require some overly complex DPS rotation, just a handful of abilities that interact with each other in small ways, that's all that most veteran healers I see are asking for. The survey you linked to even says as much in the results for all healers except AST, which instead asks for more buffs to give.

Also we were definitely green DPS back in HW, what with Alexander having strict enrages that forced healers to DPS, as well as SCH just doing absurd damage in dungeons, Holy stun still being a thing that made mincemeat of large groups, etc. We just had a better balance of healing requirements and DPS engagement during downtime.

People were okay with no-DPS healers in casual content in earlier periods of the games life because healing requirements were higher and DPS was harder to maintain. Ironically, making the DPS kit so simple along with lower healing requirements has forced people to take part in damage because there's no excuse not to; there's no Cleric Stance to risk your healing output, there's no multitude of DoTs to watch, very few damage cooldowns to track, every nuke cast now guarantees a weave window and some movement, just press Glare or you're dead weight. It's easier to forgive someones poor play when it's legitimately harder to keep up with what's going on.

[IDontPetLalas]

Make healer DPS ???? Okay.... why do you hate healing so much and still try play healer?
If SE does this they should instead delete holy trinity and stop pretending already.

Also not everything is for everybody. With this in mind please make healers just what they are supposed to be: supporter and healer instead of "i like DPS but want healer ques please make healers DPS, so that i can play DPS with fast ques and F all the healer and supporter players because i dont like it. Please stop having things you like. THX" (a proud memeber of the GCBTW)

Sorry for the salt but hell no to make healers DPS. Whats wrong with a healer or a support role ? We have DPS galore... what do you want with my AST as a DPS??? Thats f-ed up....

Your comment isn't "salt" however perhaps you could phrase it without accusing others: First of all, you accuse players of "hating healing" - based upon no evidence whatsoever. Secondly, you accuse people being motivated solely on queue times. Are there some players that may do this second point- yes- just as some players may queue on tanks. However job design discussions should not revolve around this.

In this game every job will DPS. That doesn't mean however that every job is a DPS. Here's a fact- AST is due for a rework and neither you nor I can stop it. My expectations are low given AST past reworks. Looking at the results of the survey, that is in accordance in fact with the survey results, which definitely reported that additional attack skills (25%) were required by a high amount of respondents as well as changes to the card system (27%), not buff skills. Reading the comments also confirms this from I see.

Even though there is a low number of respondents, it's definitely a pity that this survey wasn't available to Square before any job redesigns.

[Katish]

Make healer DPS ???? Okay.... why do you hate healing so much and still try play healer?
If SE does this they should instead delete holy trinity and stop pretending already.

Also not everything is for everybody. With this in mind please make healers just what they are supposed to be: supporter and healer instead of "i like DPS but want healer ques please make healers DPS, so that i can play DPS with fast ques and F all the healer and supporter players because i dont like it. Please stop having things you like. THX" (a proud memeber of the GCBTW)

Sorry for the salt but hell no to make healers DPS. Whats wrong with a healer or a support role ? We have DPS galore... what do you want with my AST as a DPS??? Thats f-ed up....

My thoughts are as so, the game system has us as supports regardless of a redesign or not. We already are! We need to do damage on certain fights despite what our kit shows or else enrage will be destined. Now, having us as mostly supports does not disregard the trinity nor does it make for bad job design. Now what does, is not using the bloated healing potency/skills in the kit while also not building the other portion of the support kit (dps,buffs,debuffs) then allocating that to other classes that shouldn't be doing that role in general. That's why the argument of wanting healing skills reduced and other unique skills added comes to light ever so often. People love to use the " What you really want is a support argument", but again we already are sweeties and always have been in ffxiv, so not sure what you're arguing against.

Sorry for unintended sass, but that argument is getting stale to me xD. As I keep seeing it used.