Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[DaichiSilurus]

1) Level 55, currently in post ARR, doing the content for the first time. Pretty obviously they aren't doing anything wrong.
2) Level 67 because of Road to 80, currently in post ARR, doing the alliance raid roulette to get some tomes to finish off their gearset. Are they doing something wrong? They're overlevelled for their MSQ. Was that their choice? What's the exact level where you'd say it's a problem for them to do the alliance raid roulette.
3) Level 90, has finished the MSQ, hasn't unlocked any raids past CT because they didn't feel like doing them. Are they doing something wrong? What if they were on a job that's level 55? Level 65? Where do you draw the line? Is it bad to not have the raids unlocked only when you're currently on a higher level job?
4) Level 90, currently in Stormblood MSQ, has CT and Void Ark unlocked. They queue at the same time as player 5, who's currently level 90 and has finished the MSQ but has only unlocked CT and Ivalice (for Bozja). Because of the overlap between them, only CT is possible. Is one of them doing something wrong? Which one? Both? Would player 4 be in the clear if they were currently on a level 67 job? Being on a lower level job has done literally nothing to change which raids they make available to the roulette.

All of these players are making "choices", with the definite exception of 1 and I would also argue 2 (regardless of their level). Your MSQ and current level are both aspects of progression, and in my opinion not being maxed out on either should be equally valid reasons to not have all the raids available to you. Someone who's levelling a job is making a choice to do that and to do it in a particular way instead of queueing on a higher level character. It would be much more convenient for you if they were max level already, after all! Someone who's not finished the MSQ is choosing to spend their time on other parts of the game, and that's okay, just as not already having levelled Samurai to 90 is okay.

I really think you're focusing on the wrong thing here. You might think my examples are very specific and nitpicky, and they are. I did that deliberately to make a point - trying to eradicate CT like this is a pointless and convoluted task, because there are so many ways it can end up happening, including completely by random, and only one person needs to fall into any category that can force it or make it more likely. If you actually want to do it you have to make it impossible to do the roulette until you have every raid unlocked, which is obviously ridiculous. Making every alliance raid mandatory to progress the story (and requiring the ilvl of your highest unlocked raid, of course) would help vastly more than forcing level 90 gear onto characters that aren't truly in endgame yet. But you can't and shouldn't force people to rush through the MSQ just to prevent them from maybe sometimes making an endgame player do lower level content.

As someone else has said, it seems increasingly like you want to be mad at a scapegoat and don't actually want to fix the problem in a better way.

If it's such a problem then why don't YOU just queue directly for high level raids?

[Snowfire]

1) If it's such a problem then why don't YOU just queue directly for high level raids?

If there is a better solution I am all for it. What I'm saying is I don't want to go back to what it was before where it was CT for ADR 90 percent of the time because people would cheese it.

If the better solution prevents that as well, then do it.

[DaichiSilurus]

If there is a better solution I am all for it. What I'm saying is I don't want to go back to what it was before where it was CT for ADR 90 percent of the time because people would cheese it.

If the better solution prevents that as well, then do it.

Nobody is saying go right back to how it was.

It needs to increase the ilvl requirement with your MSQ progress as well as your level (whichever is lower). Max level characters who already have the other raids unlocked can't cheese, players who are overlevelled for their MSQ aren't penalised. It has all the advantages of the system they just implemented without the new problem that was introduced.
Checking your unlocked duties would also work and is probably easier to implement, but there is a very small argument that this would be better for people who are deliberately not unlocking the raids. I don't personally think that would be meaningfully worse, and it's definitely a better option to what we have now.

I actually agree that they should probably make all the raids required to progress the MSQ, but they're highly unlikely to do that at this point.
Alternatively they could go for some kind of rule where you need the raids to continue using the roulette once you pass a certain MSQ threshold, for example starting 5.0 would lock you out of the roulette if you haven't unlocked Ivalice, which is an interesting solution but probably technically very complicated and I imagine would upset a portion of the player base too (as would enforcing it for MSQ, for that matter, which is why I don't see the devs doing either).
Without doing one of those there's nothing that can really be done about characters that haven't already unlocked the raids and really don't want to, but the current solution doesn't touch them either.


I do think that new characters + characters that haven't unlocked the optional raids (for whatever reason) + characters levelling jobs below 60 put together will vastly outnumber the characters that used to ilvl cheese, and no solution can realistically deal with those cases. Preventing cheesing is not going to have the massive impact some people think it will, but that isn't a reason not to stop it because it's blatantly abusive behaviour.

[Payadopa]

The obvious solution would be to make raids challenging and fun again so you don't mind what you get like CT but that's weird I guess. I'll take the current system over the old one any time of the week.

[Katz_McKatz]

Our FC actually plays together and are of varying levels. We can't do the alliance duty roulette together now. Why?

So annoying. Surely this isn't intended?

Oh, and btw. All my jobs are level 90 and I enjoy ALL the alliance raids. Even CT.

Also, you may want to remove the CT MSQ requirement because I don't think people are going to be able to actually do them anymore.

Can't you make it an opt in or out button.

[MuraBoy]

Like the title says, why is the Alliance Raid roulette suddenly ilvl locked?

When you have all the expansions purchased, you can end up leveling all the way up to 90 while still being in HW or SB and still only having those alliance raids opened.

So I have a character who's only at the end of HW and just getting the Void Ark raids, but I'm being told I'm locked out of allaince raid roulette because I don't have ilvl 565 gear? When the highest alliance raid I have access to only requires 175 gear?

Does anyone know how I can remove that? Or if I can't, a way to ask SE to fix it so it goes by highest raid we have unlocked instead of level? (unless they're going to start locking levels by what content we're in)

No, I'm not trolling; yes, this is legitimately bothering me.

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[Arkdra]

Our FC actually plays together and are of varying levels. We can't do the alliance duty roulette together now. Why?

So annoying. Surely this isn't intended?

Oh, and btw. All my jobs are level 90 and I enjoy ALL the alliance raids. Even CT.

Also, you may want to remove the CT MSQ requirement because I don't think people are going to be able to actually do them anymore.

Can't you make it an opt in or out button.

You got full 90's, make your friends gear. Problem solved.

[fulminating]

You got full 90's, make your friends gear. Problem solved.

Yeah at the cost of wrecking their sense of progression through improving gear.

[Katz_McKatz]

You got full 90's, make your friends gear. Problem solved.

They have gear appropriate for the expansion that they are in. They are in Stormblood. They should not be required to have ilvl 535 gear just to queue into Stormblood and below alliance raids with friends. You can out level the MSQ stupidly easily. So what we did is just queue directly into the Stormblood alliance raids instead of using duty roulette. My solution will be to no longer run alliance duty roulette as an FC group. Problem solved.

Edit to say: Why can't they just make a separate duty roulette for the CT raids like they have for the MSQ roulette. Make it equivalent to them in experience and currency or less exp and currency, I don't care. After all, they are required for the MSQ and apparently those raids are why they did this. People who want to do them can then do them without impacting the rest of the alliance duty roulette.

This can be justified by the fact that they are required for the MSQ. Therefore, they can be treated differently than the other alliance raids.

[kaynide]

Is fun not a good enough reason? Progressing through the story at your own rate or with your friends but still wanting to enjoy the game shouldn't be punished

At that point you shouldn’t be under the required ilvl, but I do (again) think the ilvl requirement shouldn’t kick in at the 10s (so 60/70/80), but rather the 11s (61/71/81 and eventually 91), because it does not make sense to have endgame-ish 90 gear to be able to do the lowest 90 on roulette.

Nothing wrong with having fun, and there is certainly some tweaking to be made…but there is also something to be said about being an extreme niche case doing roulettes daily with no goal in mind.