Who on the 13th?

[Cleretic]

I hope it's nobody. We got through the entire Thirteenth questline without that ever coming close to coming up, and I think we were better for it, because the resulting storyline was very deliberately narrow-focused. (Whether you liked that storyline is a different question, but I think its intention there is very clear.)

I don't think the 6.5 theory actually holds water, because all the 'evidence' just doesn't read as anywhere near conclusive to me; hell, some of it reads as counter.

Golbez isn't the only first-person flashback scene in the game, and I don't see anyone arguing that G'raha Tia is an Azem shard. I think the 6.4 memoria flashback being first-person was just a narrative and dramatic choice, that also subtly sets up for the 6.5 Siege of Baron segment, which is also first-person from Golbez's perspective, just through different ideas.

I've seen people pull out that they hide Golbez's face because of this; I think that's actually a resource management thing, because Golbez is a non-human model, so giving him a face would require sculpting a whole new one, which isn't worth the effort since sort of the whole point of Golbez was that he was more figure than man.

I also don't think that the memoria crystal was responding to us to make the Siege of Baron segment happen; if it was, it would've done that when we found the thing, and probably not brought everyone else. I actually think Golbez's crystal was responding to Durante; it wasn't speaking to us, it was Golbez trying to help his friend. Remember that the express purpose of the Lunar Subterrane dungeon was to get in our way and stop us from getting to Zeromus, but that most of the dungeon is actually the memoria memory.Durante did a terrible job keeping us out, it was Original Golbez that stepped up.

[Rongway]

I also don't think that the memoria crystal was responding to us to make the Siege of Baron segment happen; if it was, it would've done that when we found the thing, and probably not brought everyone else. I actually think Golbez's crystal was responding to Durante; it wasn't speaking to us, it was Golbez trying to help his friend. Remember that the express purpose of the Lunar Subterrane dungeon was to get in our way and stop us from getting to Zeromus, but that most of the dungeon is actually the memoria memory.Durante did a terrible job keeping us out, it was Original Golbez that stepped up.

But

by Durante's accounts, True Golbez wasn't the kind of person who would condone Durante's mass murder plot. I don't believe True Golbez would try to delay WoL&co from saving the world. If it was somehow True Golbez's desire for WoL&co to spend time in the Siege of Baron memory, it would have been for something less nefarious, like helping WoL&co understand what part of Durante they needed to appeal to to get him to reverse course.

Personally I'm in the camp of "the implications that [spoiler] is [spoiler] were heavy enough that the intent was clear". Regardless of whether it's true, it's what the writers currently want us to believe.

[ICountFrom0]

Lets assume that what they want us to belive is true....

Crushing the memoria and consuming it... probably STILL a bad idea, right?

[Cilia]

Lets assume that what they want us to belive is true....

Crushing the memoria and consuming it... probably STILL a bad idea, right?

Well, it got dropped into Zeromus' cloud back in 5.4, which is presumably why we got pulled into Golbez' memories during the Lunar Subterrane. We never find it later, either, so the most likely case is that it got subsumed into Zeromus and is now irrecoverable so long as Zeromus remains sealed in its giant Memoria crystal. Which, as per the MSQ, is likely to be planted somewhere out in the Empty to help restore the land, unleashing Zeromus would be a bad idea Azdaja or no, and we don't know any way to filter Golbez out from Zeromus anyway.

Plus... it's probably still really Dark-aspected... which would be bad...

So yeah, probably not going to happen based on what we know.

[fulminating]

Lets assume that what they want us to belive is true....

Crushing the memoria and consuming it... probably STILL a bad idea, right?

It’ll be right, use the zodiark stuff memoria to induce a localised calamity in the wol then shove the golbez one down their throat. They must be being stored in the same place for chekov’s reason.

Ps. Is Durant meant to be implied as the zenos counterpart? I’m not sure if he’s eligible for soul shards or if his grandfather blocks that.

Does it require text outside the hbhb