Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[Atelier-Bagur]

It's really not.


Surely they could have implemented it in a way that it would check for the item level of the gear you're currently wearing in comparison to the level of your current job.

The way they implemented it just seems rushed.

Im being dumb, how does that avoid the ilv cheese we had before though. Because you need ilv thresholds for the raids alongside your current level. But if you manipulate your ilv then you remove that part of the equation and only get the raids you try to get via alliance roulette and were back to square one.

[NekoMataMata]

Im being dumb, how does that avoid the ilv cheese we had before though. Because you need ilv thresholds for the raids alongside your current level. But if you manipulate your ilv then you remove that part of the equation and only get the raids you try to get via alliance roulette and were back to square one.

You're confusing ilevel manipulation with people simply not unlocking the raid.

If you're playing a level 60 job, then the game would check to see you're wearing ilevel 235 gear(Dun Scaith) before letting you use the roulette.
If you're playing a level 70 job, then the game should check to see if you're wearing ilevel 365 gear(Orbonne) before letting you use the roulette.
And so on, but also imply a condition that checks again that the raids that have been unlocked.

It's really that simple.

The real issue here isn't ilevel manipulation now. It's the fact that some people will use characters(or queue in a party with characters) that have only unlocked CT. Which is an issue anyways because there's a literal FC on Aether advertising that it's got characters made just for that purpose(and these characters won't even level up because they'll leave the duty after queueing in). I'm sure more people will catch on eventually too.

And again, this is just to show that this solution was poorly thought out.

The better solution was to force anyone looking to use alliance roulette to have unlocked at least two full alliance raid series(doesn't have to be Shadow of Mhach, could be Ivalice, Yorha, Myths) AND change the roulette rewards to scale based on how many raids total were unlocked. So at the minimum you would only get 6/15 * the old alliance raid roulette rewards.

Nobody wanted that though, so now we can deal with this mess, which still has some of the same issues.

[lennit]

it probably because they want to you to do crafting or past content so you are upgrade your gear , instead of just doing the end game content, and getting all the endgame gear and then going to the forum and saying there no more content, and it all because you skipped it

[Saraide]

You're confusing ilevel manipulation with people simply not unlocking the raid.

If you're playing a level 60 job, then the game would check to see you're wearing ilevel 235 gear(Dun Scaith) before letting you use the roulette.
If you're playing a level 70 job, then the game should check to see if you're wearing ilevel 365 gear(Orbonne) before letting you use the roulette.
And so on, but also imply a condition that checks again that the raids that have been unlocked.

It's really that simple.

The real issue here isn't ilevel manipulation now. It's the fact that some people will use characters(or queue in a party with characters) that have only unlocked CT. Which is an issue anyways because there's a literal FC on Aether advertising that it's got characters made just for that purpose(and these characters won't even level up because they'll leave the duty after queueing in). I'm sure more people will catch on eventually too.

And again, this is just to show that this solution was poorly thought out.

The better solution was to force anyone looking to use alliance roulette to have unlocked at least two full alliance raid series(doesn't have to be Shadow of Mhach, could be Ivalice, Yorha, Myths) AND change the roulette rewards to scale based on how many raids total were unlocked. So at the minimum you would only get 6/15 * the old alliance raid roulette rewards.

Nobody wanted that though, so now we can deal with this mess, which still has some of the same issues.

We are quickly reaching conspiracy theory levels here. Dont fall into the pitfall of assuming every CT raid is caused by malicious actors.

[NekoMataMata]

We are quickly reaching conspiracy theory levels here. Dont fall into the pitfall of assuming every CT raid is caused by malicious actors.

I never once made the assumption. You're putting words in my mouth that don't exist, but you're aware of that. I merely pointed out that it is still possible to force CT raids, and I pointed out that the current system is faulty for everyone, while also providing a better system.

My suggestion would allow people like the OP to use the roulette, and it would still do the same job as preventing forced CT spam.

[Atelier-Bagur]

You're confusing ilevel manipulation with people simply not unlocking the raid.

If you're playing a level 60 job, then the game would check to see you're wearing ilevel 235 gear(Dun Scaith) before letting you use the roulette.
If you're playing a level 70 job, then the game should check to see if you're wearing ilevel 365 gear(Orbonne) before letting you use the roulette.
And so on, but also imply a condition that checks again that the raids that have been unlocked.

It's really that simple.

The real issue here isn't ilevel manipulation now. It's the fact that some people will use characters(or queue in a party with characters) that have only unlocked CT. Which is an issue anyways because there's a literal FC on Aether advertising that it's got characters made just for that purpose(and these characters won't even level up because they'll leave the duty after queueing in). I'm sure more people will catch on eventually too.

And again, this is just to show that this solution was poorly thought out.

The better solution was to force anyone looking to use alliance roulette to have unlocked at least two full alliance raid series(doesn't have to be Shadow of Mhach, could be Ivalice, Yorha, Myths) AND change the roulette rewards to scale based on how many raids total were unlocked. So at the minimum you would only get 6/15 * the old alliance raid roulette rewards.

Nobody wanted that though, so now we can deal with this mess, which still has some of the same issues.

Oh thats a good solution for it. Also didnt realize there were players being that stupidly petty

[Fyrebrand]

Imagine hitting level 90 early, and you're locked out of Alliance Raid roulette until you finish Endwalker and do every raid in the game.

Or heck, let's say you accidentally hit 60 during ARR content, and you want tome gear. Whoops, can't get it -- at least not through roulette. Say goodbye to daily roulette bonus and grind manually for tomes. It's your own fault for... playing the game, I guess.

Want to play an alt job? Please look forward to entering Heavensward content in your IL 90 job quest gear.

[AnotherPerson]

Im being dumb, how does that avoid the ilv cheese we had before though. Because you need ilv thresholds for the raids alongside your current level. But if you manipulate your ilv then you remove that part of the equation and only get the raids you try to get via alliance roulette and were back to square one.

You get people who solo queue in with lv 50 gear or no gear at all to queue into CT alliance raids, but with the ILV threshold, you can't ILV cheese to only get CT alliance raids only as its set to check for your ILV, thereby reopening up the possibility of the highest alliance raid roulettes.

Though they can just fix the players overleveling and being unable to queue by setting the highest available ILv requirement based on where you are at in MSQ/expansion unlock -- Finishing Heavensward 3.0 increases the ILv to Void Ark series, finishing Stormblood 4.0 increases the ILV to Ivalice, finishing ShadowBringers 5.0 increases the ILV to Nier, and finishing Endwalker 6.0 increases the ILv to the current alliance raid tier. The first check can be checked based on achievements for completing the base expansion. Then the roulette checks based on your character's level for that job to determine which is the required ILV based on that. That way, players that overlevel can still do the roulette, but will still have to abide by the ILVL requirements as they go up in expansions.

The real issue here isn't ilevel manipulation now. It's the fact that some people will use characters(or queue in a party with characters) that have only unlocked CT. Which is an issue anyways because there's a literal FC on Aether advertising that it's got characters made just for that purpose(and these characters won't even level up because they'll leave the duty after queueing in). I'm sure more people will catch on eventually too.

As for people who forms a PF into CT to do roulette, If those alts leave, there's probably going to be a penalty to that if it's repeated often due to the rule restriction since it would be an attempt to ILV cheese. Though if you fill the PF up entirely and no alt leaves, it should be fine since that's now a 'full premade' group that's attempting the roulette and doesn't affect anyone else.

[Absimiliard]

This man has been eating well since the patch dropped.

[Payadopa]

Players brought this upon themselves. Same with unskippable cutscenes, bland dungeons and homogeneous jobs.