We lost 70% of our player base half a year in

[Supersnow845]

There are also more players playing than to ShB release. Everything you are spewing around here is really disingenuous. Get some real arguments and don't beat around the bush cause you don't have any ground to argue on.

Game now is more popular than to ShB release which was one of the best received expansions ever. What is your argument against that? You argue that "Oh yeah but HW" and "Oh yeah but 10 years ago" which wasn't even the point there. Like wtf kupo. Get a grip.

Edit: You do know that you can be unhappy with a product and that doesn't mean it is automatically bad or everyone else has to dislike it, yeah? Some peoples ego is just on another level.

The game currently barely exceeds launch ShB right before an almost 9 month drought of zero content on top of a 7 month drought of content; that is not a good sign, and like I said the fact that SHB and EW got a massive injection of players and is completely failing to hold them is the problem, if you go from 90-100-110-200-110 you don’t say that’s a good thing because you are still on the long term track, you look at why you completely failed to hold that extra 90

No idea where you got the last part, you just seem way too angry in general but sure

And jojoya like I’ve said before you don’t just ignore that many people leaving the game who came into it (think why did the WOW refugees comes to 14 over any other MMO If they were so different that they were never going to stick, 14 had the opportunity to make them stick and completely failed by doing nothing more than barely even their usual release stuff) . With that many people you try to get them to stick, you don’t declare them a lost cause

And for people who “are so chill with the current game” y’all like pretending that we are all salivating over bad numbers when all we are doing is pointing out that losing a massive injection of players will never be a good thing, I know the game is not dying, I never implied it did, but y’all both are quick to imply that’s why I’m saying

[Turtledeluxe]

It's still better than ARR when 2.5 came out.

It's still better than HW when 3.5 came out.

It's still better than SB when 4.5 came out.

It might be behind 5.5 but that's when the WoW exodus got into full swing and bloated the game numbers far beyond normal.

You can worry if you want. I'm not. I won't worry until after Dawntrail is released and we see how much the game is affected by YoshiP's vision of turning it from a MMORPG into a RPG that can be played solo or with friends.

All that tells me is that the most jaded players and second lifers stay in the game, which is something I can observe with my own two eyes. I can barely even get people to say hi in dungeons anymore. Cities are boring as hell with 60% of people in them afk or linkshell RPing. Thank goodness a patch is on the way.

And I've already said the population will bounce back. My theory is we won't see EW highs and then sharper, lower declines bc 7.0's "we're on a vacation" expansion will be mid and better games will pull people away. Only way this doesn't happen imo is if 7.0 knocks it out of the park. We will see. All evidence points to that not being the case since ARR isn't (posiitive) evidence and 7.0 is clearly more ARR and less EW.

[SlayerYuffie]

This game is no where close to dying, though. There are still plenty of players logging in and enjoying it. It has retained players from the WoW exodus. I should know - most of the members of my Marilith FC came over from WoW at the tail end of the exodus. They're still got a massive amount of content they haven't touched yet because they're enjoying repeating content they've already done.

Think what you want. It doesn't affect most of us because we're more interested in playing the game than obsessing over random numbers of questionable importance.

This. There is always going to be a rise and fall of players. That's just how gaming is. People aren't always going to be playing FFXIV when there is content to be gleaned elsewhere in the grand world of gaming. People will come for the story, leave once completed, then come back when more content shows up. Others stay for friends, others for Savage content, and more for other content they enjoy. Some leave because they have pressing IRL matters to contend with and take a break. Everyone has their own reasons to play and their own reasons to leave.

There was a quote from FFXI times that I remembered:
"During your time here, you will be able to talk, join, and adventure with many other individuals in an experience that is unique to online games.
That being said, we have no desire to see your real life suffer as a consequence.
Don't forget your family, your friends, your school, or your work."

The population is never going to be the same. I know a game that's been up since 2001 that is still ongoing despite the population change throughout the decades. FFXIV is a far cry from being dead.

[sindriiisgaming]

That just shows the entire game is dying

well duh, pretty normal given the end of expansion, 70% of players dont sub during patches or even do savages. the game was never as livley as ppl thought it was.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

All that tells me is that the most jaded players and second lifers stay in the game, which is something I can observe with my own two eyes. I can barely even get people to say hi in dungeons anymore. Cities are boring as hell with 60% of people in them afk or linkshell RPing. Thank goodness a patch is on the way.

And I've already said the population will bounce back. My theory is we won't see EW highs and then sharper, lower declines bc 7.0's "we're on a vacation" expansion will be mid and better games will pull people away. Only way this doesn't happen imo is if 7.0 knocks it out of the park. We will see. All evidence points to that not being the case since ARR isn't (posiitive) evidence and 7.0 is clearly more ARR and less EW.

I never really said hi in dungeons even when I was new. And that was a long time ago. I don't really talk to people outside my friend group, and why should I? I almost never see them again. I don't strike up conversations with random people IRL either.