Cute Little Lore prediction: Lunar Subterrane to feature the Fathercrystal

[SannaR]

A big part of the reason why I don't appreciate baseless speculating about the events that led to what we got is because of that last part. There seems to be this compulsion in recent years to declare that this thing you don't like is Actually Objectively Bad, to the point of inflating what evidence of turmoil or compromise they can find or completely making things up, rather than just accepting that maybe they just don't like a thing. (Out of all of Star Wars I think Episode 8's actually the worst victim of it these days.) I'd hardly say I'm innocent of it--I know when Shadowbringers was new I was really trying to do the same thing, but eventually just realized that I have tastes and preferences, and they happen not to line up 100%. Yeah, it sucks to realize that the reason you aren't enjoying something you might've wanted to ultimately lands with you, but it's healthier for everyone when you do.

I love rampant, low-evidence speculating about events within the game's narrative and world--in part because, as I've mentioned earlier in the thread, that's also what the developers do. Us asking 'what could the developers do with this one orphaned ARR plot thread' when playing is fundamentally the same question they're asking when writing. But throwing that speculation on the other side of the author-and-work line like that, it so often just turns into an effort to attack both the thing you didn't like, and the people who did like it, while also often serving to create some false dichotomy. I see fundamentally the same thing in people bigging up Daichi Hiroi's future (or maybe present at this point) work as the new lead writer, mainly because he actually hasn't written a lot of MSQ stuff before and those people have convinced themselves that he somehow holds exactly the same views for what makes a good story as they do; I'm not sure how they're gonna fall when it turns out he doesn't.

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at? As the Emet speech isn't baseless speculation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...alkers_2_week/

As it states there.

[Cleretic]

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at? As the Emet speech isn't baseless speculation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...alkers_2_week/

As it states there.

Oh, no, that's absolutely very much based, and not speculation at all! I'm more talking about the tendency to try to pin everything that a person happens to not like on 'FFXVI was stealing people', 'the rewrite (either the one after the retreat or the one shortly before launch; both are unlikely, one much more so) changed this for the worse', 'something something pandemic', stuff like that, when there's not a shred of evidence for it.

[SannaR]

Oh, no, that's absolutely very much based, and not speculation at all! I'm more talking about the tendency to try to pin everything that a person happens to not like on 'FFXVI was stealing people', 'the rewrite (either the one after the retreat or the one shortly before launch; both are unlikely, one much more so) changed this for the worse', 'something something pandemic', stuff like that, when there's not a shred of evidence for it.

Ahh ok. Some times ya confuse me. I try my best to not to do such though sometimes trying to find or remember around when something was said that was an expansion or two or more back can be difficult. Especially if it was stated during one of those who would even think to watch X things that has Yoshida baking cookies and drinking wine. Or from an interview that happens outside a patch or expansion drop from a Japanese site that's not as well known outside of Japan like Famitsu or Dengeki. The man I want to say has even appeared on a in-house podcast a few times. When I say in-house I mean something that is like the SE music channel's interviews.

[Cassar]

A big part of the reason why I don't appreciate baseless speculating about the events that led to what we got is because of that last part. There seems to be this compulsion in recent years to declare that this thing you don't like is Actually Objectively Bad, to the point of inflating what evidence of turmoil or compromise they can find or completely making things up, rather than just accepting that maybe they just don't like a thing. Yeah, it sucks to realize that the reason you aren't enjoying something you might've wanted to ultimately lands with you, but it's healthier for everyone when you do.

Honestly it's very refreshing to read this, because every time I read comments in this forum I get that exact same feeling - that people are trying to prove that what they dislike is objectively bad instead of just accepting that it ultimately falls on them. I mostly lurk in this forum for this reason, because there's nothing to argue, it's people trying to prove the story is good vs people trying to prove it's bad - no one wins. I stay away from it, I only really comment when it comes to in-game story stuff because that's more fun to speculate.

I'm really just responding to say that knowing that at least one other person in here also sees this is a relief.