Echo in Raids

[technole]

I never said that, you're thinking about someone else. I'm the person that told you to run palace of the dead to know what a job's level 1 rotation is. I agreed that you shouldn't be able to buy job skips off-the-bat. Are you thinking about the fact that i said that Thordan is unsalvagably easy?

Also even with the mighty 50% echo that you're able to get in normal mode trials (which takes 20+ minutes of fighting to get) you're still going to die if you fuck up titania's adds.

Giving normal raids the 5% echo up to 25% that EX trials get isn't going to make it faceroll easy. If you keep dying to super death lasers, that isn't going to make you win.

Do you know how it feels to spend 6 minutes fighting in a raid, just to die because half the party died right after the reaper used LB3, one of the healers doesn't know how to dodge untelegraphed AoEs, and your RDM is out of mana, and know that that time is completely wasted?

I wouldn't even be saying this if it wasn't for the fact that Savage Raids have echo for some reason.

Have you ever cleared E12 savage when it was on-content? The healing and DPS checks were no joke, and there is the 2nd encounter, so obviously echo for savage is totally warranted after because it still requires knowing mechanics or wipe.

The normal content you can blaze through even with half the party being pretty bad in DPS in sync'd gear. Normals don't need any echo, ever.

[Astrahime]

Have you ever cleared E12 savage when it was on-content? The healing and DPS checks were no joke, and there is the 2nd encounter, so obviously echo for savage is totally warranted after because it still requires knowing mechanics or wipe.

The normal content you can blaze through even with half the party being pretty bad in DPS in sync'd gear. Normals don't need any echo, ever.

have you ever tried E12 normal with healers that don't know how Stock works and no DPSes that can combat raise?

Also that same argument can be used to take echo out of normal trials, but there it's even stronger than in EX trials.