We lost 70% of our player base half a year in

[Turtledeluxe]

No, we have to follow troll logic. Baldur's Gate 3 is dead!

Bg3 is not a live service game. Starfield had a 50% days after it released as well. That's pretty normal. XIV is an MMO where we have multiple indicators that people are not only unsubbing, but not even really active.

[Shurrikhan]

OMG! Baldur's Gate 3 has lost nearly 70% of its players!! https://steamcharts.com/app/1086940

Or, just a thought, Steam Charts is a lousy way to decide that sort of drivel.

all-time peak: 875,343
24 hour peak (2:40 pm CDT on 30 September 2023): 286,549

[that's about 33% of the all-time peak. It's on Steam Charts, so it must be true.]

Tbf, there's going to be a hell of a difference in the curves of players booting up the game between a completable non-MMO and an MMO with daily & weekly play incentives.

Perhaps contrast XIV's curve with that of any of the other MMOs hosted on Steam, instead of comparing apples to armadillos?

[caffe_macchiato]

I know that anecdotes carry limited value, but I'm in the most populated server in the game and there doesn't seem to be anyone queueing for the newest Deep Dungeon. I was actually looking forward to running this content.

Yes, there's plenty of sex workers in Ul'dah. But that's not playing the game as intended. Even during droughts, deep dungeons and forays used to be active. What happened? Is this what we consider to be acceptable?

[Jojoya]

Perhaps contrast XIV's curve with that of any of the other MMOs hosted on Steam, instead of comparing apples to armadillos?

This brings to mind Josh Strife Hayes' "Worst MMO Ever?" series where he digs up every MMO he can find listed on Steam. And frequently discovers there's less than 10 players on line with him.

Someone could cherry pick through Steam to come up with just the right MMOs to prove their point depending on most recent content release date.

[Astrahime]

I know that anecdotes carry limited value, but I'm in the most populated server in the game and there doesn't seem to be anyone queueing for the newest Deep Dungeon. I was actually looking forward to running this content.

That's because we use Party Finder. No-one who actually wants to do Deep Dungeons uses the in-built Duty Finder for it. Did you know that you can't go past floor 30 if you use Duty Finder?

[Rolder50]

That's because we use Party Finder. No-one who actually wants to do Deep Dungeons uses the in-built Duty Finder for it. Did you know that you can't go past floor 30 if you use Duty Finder?

Depends. People frequently queue the lower levels of PotD and HoH for leveling purposes. But the new one isn't really good for leveling so it doesn't get the same benefit.

[Renalt]

This brings to mind Josh Strife Hayes' "Worst MMO Ever?" series where he digs up every MMO he can find listed on Steam. And frequently discovers there's less than 10 players on line with him.

Someone could cherry pick through Steam to come up with just the right MMOs to prove their point depending on most recent content release date.

There has been a few where he was the ONLY player. Hell one of them had a 10 part mini series because he wanted to beat the story solo.

He alone made the game explode by like...300% in terms of world population. Which is just 3 other people.

[Ranaku]

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tl;dr: "Everyone who plays the game not my way plays it the wrong way."

Love the ego, keep it growing and it ends up playing the Vaulthry in the next expansion maybe?

[caffe_macchiato]

That's because we use Party Finder. No-one who actually wants to do Deep Dungeons uses the in-built Duty Finder for it. Did you know that you can't go past floor 30 if you use Duty Finder?

Did you know that people have been running deep dungeons for leveling for the past seven years, aka for the vast majority of this game's history? If the new content is worse than the old content, then it's a design flaw, not a player error. While it's fashionable these days to defend multibillion dollar corporations by saying that the players are wrong, it's sad that we pay $13 a month for worse content. Incoming: "due to inflation, we're actually paying less!"

tl;dr: "Everyone who plays the game not my way plays it the wrong way."

Love the ego, keep it growing and it ends up playing the Vaulthry in the next expansion maybe?

I am playing the game the way that millions of others have played it for the past seven years. You can gaslight me, but you cannot gaslight millions into believing that this is normal or better than what we've had in the past. This is why people are no longer playing the game.

[OliverQ]

Did you know that people have been running deep dungeons for leveling for the past seven years, aka for the vast majority of this game's history? If the new content is worse than the old content, then it's a design flaw, not a player error. While it's fashionable these days to defend multibillion dollar corporations by saying that the players are wrong, it's sad that we pay $13 a month for worse content. Incoming: "due to inflation, we're actually paying less!"

I'm not sure what the issue with the new Deep Dungeon is, but from my limited experience I haven't notice many people queuing for PotD either. I tried it for the first time this week to level an alt and ended up soloing it for a bit.