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  1. #51
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    Na'mira Yarhu
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    i agree, its pointlessly boring as it is now. and also very anticlimatic.
    i've seen many new players bored. especially for players who arent the 'story-type'.... no wonder people call it a slog.
    so many fights only being held together by amazing visuals and fantastic soundtrack... but where is the gameplay?
    oh yes in that one solo fight on lvl 50 and then on lvl 90
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    Last edited by Asari5; 09-30-2023 at 03:20 PM.

  2. #52
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    Wind-up Everyone
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    Arcanist Lv 52
    End singer is meant to be pathetically weak, even zenos was surprised it was still alive and he’s someone who had to resort to cheating in every combat encounter with him. Dynamis is worse than aether, something the devs are aware of and made a meta commentary with using the na data centres.

    I don’t see why anyone expects the capstone fights to be hard: we’ve had the aforementioned cheat, two pensioners, a military base and decrepit mech suit piloted by a guy who can’t even use magic and now this depressed bird. The patch trials tend to be more worthy opponents- a primal intent on a millenia’s revenge, the sadly much-nerfed siege dragon and its inexorable march, an elder dragon both eyes reclaimed, possessing the symbol of his enemy, I didn’t really pay attention to doma but I think she was pretty important and turned herself into a primal, the inter-dimensional essence of heroism combined with the ancient core of an elder primal and now zodiark’s intestines wrapped up with a void corrupted elder dragon and soul of the void’s greatest champion.
    They simply don’t compare.
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  3. #53
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    Zefiris's Avatar
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    Limwris Abriel
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    Cactuar
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Endsinger-chan, my cute waifu, now I will have more time to see you
    Well, I already do the trial almost every day since last year, but sometimes it's too quick o.o
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  4. #54
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    Ghael Rehw-setlas
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    Excalibur
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    End singer is meant to be pathetically weak, even zenos was surprised it was still alive and he’s someone who had to resort to cheating in every combat encounter with him. Dynamis is worse than aether, something the devs are aware of and made a meta commentary with using the na data centres.

    I don’t see why anyone expects the capstone fights to be hard: we’ve had the aforementioned cheat, two pensioners, a military base and decrepit mech suit piloted by a guy who can’t even use magic and now this depressed bird. The patch trials tend to be more worthy opponents- a primal intent on a millenia’s revenge, the sadly much-nerfed siege dragon and its inexorable march, an elder dragon both eyes reclaimed, possessing the symbol of his enemy, I didn’t really pay attention to doma but I think she was pretty important and turned herself into a primal, the inter-dimensional essence of heroism combined with the ancient core of an elder primal and now zodiark’s intestines wrapped up with a void corrupted elder dragon and soul of the void’s greatest champion.
    They simply don’t compare.
    It shouldn't be the case though. Most of the MSQ bosses weren't stupidly weak on release, Hades and Shinryu were supposed to be quite challenging, and Ultima Weapon nowadays is an absolutely fantastic fight.

    Yotsuyu, the SB boss you're talking about, is supposed to be weaker than Shinryu in the story but she's still way a better trial nowadays. She's a jaded, depressed woman who can barely control her primal form and dies to gunshots.
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  5. #55
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    D'nihl Tia
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    Lich
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by vetch View Post
    It definitely is starting to happen on Ravana; about half the parties I get in roulette don't even see Swift Slaughter finish casting anymore. Likewise with Dun Scaith, good parties hitting buttons and not dying too much can kill Diabolos Hollow right after he finishes casting Double Edge before he even starts to bleed himself.

    A needed solution if you want players to see all mechs on those fights is probably to roll back all the potency creep we've had, and shift them from being baked into the skills as soon as you get them to being trait-based like the Endwalker ones are. So for example you get potency increases on your core combo skills at 55, 65, 75, 85, etc..
    Ravana's a bit strange. Thok ast Thok (Hard) doesn't have a minimum item level in and of itself, but you can look at the surrounding instances: Chrysalis is mandatory and requires i90, The Dusk Vigil is optional and asks for i100, and immediately after Ravana you get Sohm Al asking for 105. Most new players are probably walking in with something approaching i130 from augmented ironworks gear, and the level 54 downsync means that the effective item level sync is 135.
    So you've got +30ish item levels on the duty, theoretically, but it's the same as you'd expect from players playing at the time.

    Let's look at some base potencies, then - I'll use Dragoon's basic True Thrust -> Vorpal Thrust -> Full Thrust combo as an example.
    3.0: 150 -> 240 -> 360; total 750
    6.4: 170 -> 250 -> 400; total 820
    That's a +9.3% damage bonus even without taking into account the secondary True Thrust/Disembowel/Chaos Thrust combo (which was similarly buffed).

    I'm... honestly kind of curious as to why they do these retroactive potency buffs rather than just having it be like, well, the Lance Mastery II you get at level 76 or Lance Mastery III you get at level 86 or Lance Mastery IV you get at level 90. Just expand that list to Lance Mastery VI or something and give the players a nice little expansion-appropriate potency buff when they reach level 51/61/71/etc.
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  6. #56
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    End singer is meant to be pathetically weak, even zenos was surprised it was still alive
    I don't think that's intended to be a comment on the Endsinger's strength level, but on how Zenos perceives our character as inclined to destroy anything that stands in our way, when actually at least a fair part of the answer (by the end of the fight if not the beginning) is that we want to save Meteion, not kill her, but Zenos has no concept of that compassionate approach.
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  7. #57
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    Wind-up Everyone
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    Zodiark
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    Arcanist Lv 52
    I thought we wanted to kill meteion because it was eating every soul in the universe or something? Mercy there seems somewhat irresponsible.
    We also do solve most problems with violence; pirate cave, apocalypse cult, revolting giant slaves, ifrit, obtain cheese for party, help that garlean defector with headache, titan, that dravanian ishgardian inquisitor guy, get airship back, obtain the correct kind of rock, recover the scions, simultaneous assault on garlean outposts etc. Even 6 years later in shadowbringers there's a whole sequence where a giant robot gets built solely for the purpose of making it easier to hit a politician.
    Stooping to diplomancy seems very out of character for the warrior of light.
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  8. #58
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    Iyami Galvayra
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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    I thought we wanted to kill meteion because it was eating every soul in the universe or something? Mercy there seems somewhat irresponsible.
    We also do solve most problems with violence; pirate cave, apocalypse cult, revolting giant slaves, ifrit, obtain cheese for party, help that garlean defector with headache, titan, that dravanian ishgardian inquisitor guy, get airship back, obtain the correct kind of rock, recover the scions, simultaneous assault on garlean outposts etc. Even 6 years later in shadowbringers there's a whole sequence where a giant robot gets built solely for the purpose of making it easier to hit a politician.
    Stooping to diplomancy seems very out of character for the warrior of light.
    Those are all either cases where there's literally no other recourse but violence, or grossly oversimplifying the situation. Like how that "politician" was also commanding an army of sin eaters bent on enslaving, converting, and/or devouring all life on the First because he's literally incapable of processing the idea that he's not a god.
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  9. #59
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    X'lantaa Lizhashen
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Specially Thordan. That one is the most in need for this fix.
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  10. #60
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    Wind-up Everyone
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    Arcanist Lv 52
    The warrior of light is entirely amoral, their modus operandi aligning themselves with the nearest terrorist organisation and destabilising the region. Their shadowy puppetmasters, "coincidentally" named after another shadow organisation from tes4blivion, reaping both literal and ideological profit from these endeavours. I'll give them a pass for ala bama though, that probably counts more as freedom fighting.

    With all sincerity, thordan is the last one that should be synced in this manner - although a full or partial heal after his incredibly flashy but very futile attack might serve to clarify the fight's conclusion. Despite the eye and triad, he is just kind of bad at fighting in the story. Unsync it and don't kill him after if you want to see his panicked flailing to see proof.
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