Young players are not going to play FF14

[DPZ2]

And to be clear who made it about players under 18? Yoshi P did by making references to popular games. Maybe there's a chance he's talking about 20 to 35. I doubt it. I mean even if he is, a lot of them are playing those other games anyway.

Yoshida did not make it about the under-18 crowd. He's very clear who he's aiming for: "That's why we don't feel those types of games are a threat because the basic game is designed completely differently. Because the audience that's playing Overwatch and Fortnite are probably in their 20s, they're a younger audience. If that younger audience becomes our main audience for FF14 or our current MMORPG ..."

Did he mention an under-18 crowd? No, he did not.

[Turtledeluxe]

Yoshida did not make it about the under-18 crowd. He's very clear who he's aiming for: "That's why we don't feel those types of games are a threat because the basic game is designed completely differently. Because the audience that's playing Overwatch and Fortnite are probably in their 20s, they're a younger audience. If that younger audience becomes our main audience for FF14 or our current MMORPG ..."

Did he mention an under-18 crowd? No, he did not.

Well he's unknowingly talking about them then because I highly doubt the audience of Fornite is dominant 20+. If it is then that's something that maybe occurred over time and reached that average very recently.

[Xirean]

Well he's unknowingly talking about them then because I highly doubt the audience of Fornite is dominant 20+. If it is then that's something that maybe occurred over time and reached that average very recently.

Then you simply think he is wrong about the demographic of a player base for a game he doesn't run. That doesn't mean he is trying to cater to under 18s. He flat stated the age range he expected and was looking to cater to.

[Turtledeluxe]

Then you simply think he is wrong about the demographic of a player base for a game he doesn't run. That doesn't mean he is trying to cater to under 18s. He flat stated the age range he expected and was looking to cater to.

Yes and the reason I'm clarifying that is because in my second reply I mentioned that this whole subject makes no sense if Yoshi P is trying to attract a college audience. College audience and 20 somethings do play XIV. The ones that don't are playing all of the viral games because this is 10 year old game and it shows. A lot. His dream of getting Fornite and Overwatch fans didn't work with even XVI. FF is long, single player, story heavy. XIV has the benefit of multilayer but going back to what I was saying, it has likely reached saturation with Endwalker being that it's so unapproachable and outdated now. The only people who can't see that are people who make MMOs their entire life. Maybe that's Yoshi P.

Additionally it will be very interesting to see if the declining population explodes and reverses course given than the thing everyone talks about regarding XIV that isn't outdated (amazing story) is over. The Ascian story is over. Not only does that make it a good time to check out it you followed it all 10 years but the next story has to deliver for that to be a selling point and tbh, so far, story is the biggest lacking factor of 7.0 by far. In my opinion this is a big contributing factor no one is really mentioning because they assume the declining subs are strictly content oriented (ie relics and exploratory).

[Bonoki]

Well he's unknowingly talking about them then because I highly doubt the audience of Fornite is dominant 20+. If it is then that's something that maybe occurred over time and reached that average very recently.

I think the audience is 20, but not strictly solely 20. The audience scope is much MUCH bigger than some block of 20 - 25. They are not the only ones playing Fortnite and that's why I dislike the example. That's like saying I want to use Pokemon to target 10 - 15 year olds but it's entirely dismissive of the older audience that actually is playing the game.

Basically, I completely understand what Yoshi P is trying to say, but I think his example was incorrectly and ignorantly used. That's about it really. Nevermind the fact that we're using a 4 year old article to make a point like it has any relevancy today.

[Turtledeluxe]

I think the audience is 20, but not strictly solely 20. The audience scope is much MUCH bigger than some block of 20 - 25. They are not the only ones playing Fortnite and that's why I dislike the example. That's like saying I want to use Pokemon to target 10 - 15 year olds but it's entirely dismissive of the older audience that actually is playing the game.

Basically, I completely understand what Yoshi P is trying to say, but I think his example was incorrectly and ignorantly used. That's about it really. Nevermind the fact that we're using a 4 year old article to make a point like it has any relevancy today.

Agreed. On top of that, not to keep saying it, but 20 to 25 do play XIV. If he's talking about more of them doing so, then the discussion has moved from me misinterpriting him to him possibly being delusional.

And I'm not trying to insult him. I mean to say XIV is massive. It has made SE more money than XI did. It has reached 27m players over 10 years. What more does he want exactly? I think it's completely unreasonable and out of line to assume XIV will infinitely grow based on the frankly, very minor things they've done to make this game appeal to a wider audience. Gamers today don't want to be treated like they are dumb and impatient. That's what the echo chamber here says but literally every successful game today shows otherwise.

And to put the nail in the coffin, the games subs are declining harder than any other post expansion. If dumbing the game down and making it single player is so awesome, why hasn't it offset the story concluding?? The real truth is that streamers plus the hype of Endwalker being the end helped XiV hit a "all time high" that it would be lucky and blessed to ever see again.