Young players are not going to play FF14

[Aldath]

How exactly is current design gonna appeal to young gamers? Are they talking only about Japanese young gamers who like VNs? Or did CBU3 get their metrics from global player profile ages? Because let me break you the news: most people who chose 18 as their age and play this game probably aren't.

I like the game, but I have no idea which "modern gamer" would put up with the 300 hours of fetch quests followed by at the very best 10 minutes of actual gameplay. He mentions Fortnite in an interview from 4 DARN YEARS AGO, but that game currently and very ironically has you more time engaging with the game systems than FFXIV. I'm currently in Post-SB quests and I feel bad for whomever gets DT and has to put up with the absolutely thrilling experience of teleporting around for almost 20 minutes to speak to Nanamo because she needs to deliver exposition, I0m at a point where I just read a story summary every post patch to know up to which point I'll just skip dialogues and it's usually three quarters of the patch storyline.

They want to attract new players but do absolutely nothing to improve the completely misserable climb to newer content, they have added Duty Support to make MSQ more accessible, but they have done nothing to make the game more engaging. Sure, wow, now I can advance at a snail's pace this very easy dungeon that will teach me nothing about how to play with others without getting into a long queue if I don't pick one of the two most boring roles in the game, but whenever I get to play with others things keep either dying before they can do anything interesting, or things kill us so fast that we have no idea what went on. People exaggerate when they say players in this game are unskilled, the problem si that the game does NOTHING to push the players to become better and it has, historically, had terrible difficulty scaling, with Normal content being chill one moment and then pushing the players off a cliff without warning to the point it gets nerfed into an absolute slog.

Younger players will leave because there are more engaging and "fast" things to play. Horny 50 year olds who made a catgirl and got lost in the myriad other endless systems will discover ERP and Venues and stay because of parasocial relationships and addiction.

[Snorky]

How exactly is current design gonna appeal to young gamers? Are they talking only about Japanese young gamers who like VNs? Or did CBU3 get their metrics from global player profile ages? Because let me break you the news: most people who chose 18 as their age and play this game probably aren't.

I like the game, but I have no idea which "modern gamer" would put up with the 300 hours of fetch quests followed by at the very best 10 minutes of actual gameplay. He mentions Fortnite in an interview from 4 DARN YEARS AGO, but that game currently and very ironically has you more time engaging with the game systems than FFXIV. I'm currently in Post-SB quests and I feel bad for whomever gets DT and has to put up with the absolutely thrilling experience of teleporting around for almost 20 minutes to speak to Nanamo because she needs to deliver exposition, I0m at a point where I just read a story summary every post patch to know up to which point I'll just skip dialogues and it's usually three quarters of the patch storyline.

They want to attract new players but do absolutely nothing to improve the completely misserable climb to newer content, they have added Duty Support to make MSQ more accessible, but they have done nothing to make the game more engaging. Sure, wow, now I can advance at a snail's pace this very easy dungeon that will teach me nothing about how to play with others without getting into a long queue if I don't pick one of the two most boring roles in the game, but whenever I get to play with others things keep either dying before they can do anything interesting, or things kill us so fast that we have no idea what went on. People exaggerate when they say players in this game are unskilled, the problem si that the game does NOTHING to push the players to become better and it has, historically, had terrible difficulty scaling, with Normal content being chill one moment and then pushing the players off a cliff without warning to the point it gets nerfed into an absolute slog.

Younger players will leave because there are more engaging and "fast" things to play. Horny 50 year olds who made a catgirl and got lost in the myriad other endless systems will discover ERP and Venues and stay because of parasocial relationships and addiction.

Unironically how old are you? You think this is the first MMO with ERP. My experience says no. If you are so unhappy leave. Yep, I see there are 20 year olds playing this game so how did they get here. The total incredulity with which you characterize things is nothing but hyperbole. You want to shock and get people upset by your words. But when any sane person reads your rant they will just laugh at the total sky is falling attitude. It's so bad here who would be stupid enough to stay and continue to punish themselves over game play. Well obviously YOU. So miserable it's so funny.

This forum has degraded beyond words, there is no moderation and there really needs to be. The hyperbole is through the roof and when you are able to find a post with well thought out ideas or suggestions it gets hyjacked by people who seek attention. It totally amazes me how some people are so bored and miserable they come to a gaming forum to take out their frustrations on others. Stop using these forums as therapy for a unhappy life.

[Aldath]

Unironically how old are you? You think this is the first MMO with ERP. My experience says no. If you are so unhappy leave. Yep, I see there are 20 year olds playing this game so how did they get here. The total incredulity with which you characterize things is nothing but hyperbole. You want to shock and get people upset by your words. But when any sane person reads your rant they will just laugh at the total sky is falling attitude. It's so bad here who would be stupid enough to stay and continue to punish themselves over game play. Well obviously YOU. So miserable it's so funny.

This forum has degraded beyond words, there is no moderation and there really needs to be. The hyperbole is through the roof and when you are able to find a post with well thought out ideas or suggestions it gets hyjacked by people who seek attention. It totally amazes me how some people are so bored and miserable they come to a gaming forum to take out their frustrations on others. Stop using these forums as therapy for a unhappy life.

I am 32. My first MMO was Flyff, I played WoW up to Burning Crusade, met my wife in GW2 and I delved a little in ESO until Summerset and played Lost Ark at launch and left when I saw the scam it was. You can guess I actually really like MMOs.

Go any day, enter party finder, take a screenshot, and help us count how many Venue/ERP ads are there compared to actual parties. Go to the subreddit and check the AFK at Limsa threads, or go to Limsa yourself. Also, how many other MMO communities have used real life billboard ads to promote clubs or have an ERP scene so prevalent that content creators have interviewed virtual sex workers?

I mean, even the subreddit, the one place where criticism is almost always downvoted, has started upvoting state of the game discussions and comments. And no need to be a condescending arse because you sure look as bad as some of the most toxic people in the forum. My criticism wasn't aimed at no user in particular, yours does.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I am 32. My first MMO was Flyff, I played WoW up to Burning Crusade, met my wife in GW2 and I delved a little in ESO until Summerset and played Lost Ark at launch and left when I saw the scam it was. You can guess I actually really like MMOs.

Go any day, enter party finder, take a screenshot, and help us count how many Venue/ERP ads are there compared to actual parties. Go to the subreddit and check the AFK at Limsa threads, or go to Limsa yourself. Also, how many other MMO communities have used real life billboard ads to promote clubs or have an ERP scene so prevalent that content creators have interviewed virtual sex workers?

I mean, even the subreddit, the one place where criticism is almost always downvoted, has started upvoting state of the game discussions and comments. And no need to be a condescending arse because you sure look as bad as some of the most toxic people in the forum. My criticism wasn't aimed at no user in particular, yours does.

At least the Asmon sex worker interview was some dude openly on camera playing a catgirl. Cause that’s what your paying for lol.

[Aldath]

At least the Asmon sex worker interview was some dude openly on camera playing a catgirl. Cause that’s what your paying for lol.

I mean if you know what you're paying for and you don't mind more power to you I guess, but I'm willing to bet most of those catgirls don't advertise you're gonna be "playing" with a dude lol.
Still is not like you can play any race besides hyur nowadays and not be associated with some stereotype, catboy speaking.

Unlike what the poster above who quoted me said, I know this isn't the only MMO with ERP, it's just that we can't deny the prevalence or it in our game and how it has bled into the real world at times and we've suffered a sucker punch to our reputation, and PF isn't doing anything to help dispel any doubt about it. It's problematic when the game wants to supposedly cater to a younger demographic, keeps a T rating, and still permits 18+ content and gambling ads in PF. That combined with the lack of revising new player experience and older content gives an impression of general neglect.

[Striker44]

Go any day, enter party finder, take a screenshot, and help us count how many Venue/ERP ads are there compared to actual parties. Go to the subreddit and check the AFK at Limsa threads, or go to Limsa yourself. Also, how many other MMO communities have used real life billboard ads to promote clubs or have an ERP scene so prevalent that content creators have interviewed virtual sex workers?

I don't know how to post screenshots on here, but it's currently 2:28pm Eastern Time, and on Gilgamesh server (Aether), there are at this instant 1 Dungeon group, 5 Trials groups, 8 Raid groups, 52 High-End Duty groups, and 10 Other groups.

(And of those 10 Other groups, only 4 appear to be venue-related. 3 are either selling gear/items or carries, 1 is advertising sketches, and 2 are FC recruitments that don't seem to mention venues or an RP scene specifically.)

Oh, did reality not fit what you implied would be the case?

[Stormpeaks]

I don't know how to post screenshots on here, but it's currently 2:28pm Eastern Time, and on Gilgamesh server (Aether), there are at this instant 1 Dungeon group, 5 Trials groups, 8 Raid groups, 52 High-End Duty groups, and 10 Other groups.

(And of those 10 Other groups, only 4 appear to be venue-related. 3 are either selling gear/items or carries, 1 is advertising sketches, and 2 are FC recruitments that don't seem to mention venues or an RP scene specifically.)

Oh, did reality not fit what you implied would be the case?

"Let me go on the only datacenter that actually has groups for content"

"Well see there's content and barely any venues !!"

lmao

FYI I went on Crystal

2 Trials duties
3 Raids
1 Fate
11 Venues/Others

I'll do you the honors and even go on primal just for you, lets not even talk about dynamis which as 0 PF's except 1 other, and that one is for roulettes

Primal :

6 Trial duties, some underleveled (not end game duties)
1 Raid
1 High End duty
5 Venues/Other

Also to take in mind the time it is right now, since a lot of venue advertise in the evening and not all day long.

But just for the honors of Dynamis
0 Trial duties
0 Raid
0 High End
1 Venues/Other

[Striker44]

FYI I went on Crystal

2 Trials duties
3 Raids
1 Fate
11 Venues/Others

Primal :

6 Trial duties, some underleveled (not end game duties)
1 Raid
1 High End duty
5 Venues/Other

But just for the honors of Dynamis
0 Trial duties
0 Raid
0 High End
1 Venues/Other

Why does the negative echo chamber love posting data that only proves them wrong? LOL? Adding your data to mine, we have a total of 13 Trials, 11 Raids, and 53 High-End Duties, versus only 27 "Other" groups, not all of which are even venues. So thank you for confirming that combining all the DC's shows that "actual" parties significantly outnumber venues at this snapshot in time.

See, this is why people point out the dishonesty in the negative cabal. The original poster challenged us to post ANY time what was in PF of "actual parties" vs. "venue/ERP" ads. I did that. You added more data, ignoring that some of your "other" groups likely aren't even venue ads (only 40% of my "other" were), trying to discredit some of the "real parties" for not being "end game" (they're still parties engaging in "real" content!!!), and it still shows about 3 times as many "actual parties" as venues.

You also conveniently ignored the level of activity within each DC, trying to act as if they're somehow equivalent. That would be like looking at America and saying "Hey - I took 4 states and found 3 of the 4 were primarily conservative, therefore all of America must be!" Meanwhile, those 3 were Wyoming, North Dakota, and South Dakota, while the 4th was California, which is primarily liberal and absolutely dwarfs the other three combined in population. (Yes, the USA is bigger than those 4 states - just take it for the analogy being made.)

It's okay to accept that you're wrong sometimes.

Also to take in mind the time it is right now, since a lot of venue advertise in the evening and not all day long.

Very true. I only did it now because the person I responded to challenged someone to post the data at any time, not within a specific window. If I get the chance, I'll post again during evening hours with an updated count. (For comparison, it's a bit later in the afternoon now, and Aether is currently at 67 High-End Duties vs. 12 Other - with 5 of those "Other" not being venue ads.)

[ZephyrMenodora]

I don't know how to post screenshots on here, but it's currently 2:28pm Eastern Time, and on Gilgamesh server (Aether), there are at this instant 1 Dungeon group, 5 Trials groups, 8 Raid groups, 52 High-End Duty groups, and 10 Other groups.

(And of those 10 Other groups, only 4 appear to be venue-related. 3 are either selling gear/items or carries, 1 is advertising sketches, and 2 are FC recruitments that don't seem to mention venues or an RP scene specifically.)

Oh, did reality not fit what you implied would be the case?

From what I gather since we are not on Balmung our world experiences are just much different than theirs when it comes to ERP lol.

[Bonoki]

From what I gather since we are not on Balmung our world experiences are just much different than theirs when it comes to ERP lol.

I mean this in an extremely polite way as much as I can. But your world experiences is different just for playing a male character. This is factored in way before server, which also plays a point. It's still not really difficult to open up PF or Fellowship Finder or heck, community finder and see 18+ listings all over the place though.