Would SCH's SB kit be "good enough" now?

[Renathras]

I think, overall (for various reasons, not least of which people have preconceived notions and some people just don't like me), a lot of you assumed things about this thread and this question not meant or intended.

Some were evasive in their answer, as if they feared I might attack them for saying yes or no directly.

Others think it's a meant to be artificially limiting to get people to admit the current state in EW is better somehow or something.

Others want to talk about more nuanced things that were left out of the initial question NOT to constrain it, but to prevent getting lost in the weeds (for example, assuming we went straight back to 4.5 SCH, then we had ShB and EW from there, it would have potency increases so that its nuke/DoTs/AOE would be competitive with the other healers now, I'm not talking about going back to 200 potency Broil II), which then derails and sidetracks from the point.

So I'll try to be explicit here:

The point was to see if people really do think SB SCH was a solid kit that, even if it was transferred to now (with normalized upgrades and whatnot), would stand the test of time. That if we had 4.5 SCH (with potency upgrades) in the game right now as another Job, it would be good and they'd want to play it more or less as is, or if they recognize/believe that it was lacking in various ways. In other words, to get people to take it off the pedestal and look at both its downsides and its upsides, not the upsides alone, and seriously consider it. It's easy - and this is the "rose tinted goggles" effect - to forget about how sucky the sucky parts of the past are, as we Humans tend to forget a lot of the downsides of things for whatever reason (maybe our brains evolved to not want to dwell on the negative, I dunno, but it's a thing).

And so the goal here was to have a serious discussion about both the upsides AND downsides of SB SCH, the downsides AND the upsides of EW SCH, and from there, consider what would best merge the most upsides while incurring the least downsides; as well as to get people to realize they have SB SCH on a pedestal it doesn't deserve and shouldn't be sitting in, as seeing it that way prevents seriously considering the negatives of the design that shouldn't be carried forward.

I think Connor was the only one who actually did this.

In short, to see what the negatives were, and consider them as well, and think about what positives have come since, to merge the best of both and set aside the negatives of both.

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There was no attempt at duplicity or "I know you have a reputation" (probably less deserved; I generally do want discussions with people and try to present different perspectives for others to consider that they sometimes are highly resistant to doing and so decide on insults instead), and considering I get that flack and even called a "clownshoe"...yeah.

It's amazing how many people assume bad intentions about me, read what I post and interpret it with that intention, then decides this proves their preconceived notion. If you actually DID read what I wrote, not what innuendos and implications you have to mentally insert (because I sure didn't put them in the text!), then you might find what you believed about me was wrong, and your confirmation bias led to to cement your wrong belief.

I also am confused how what I say and how I interact with people is off-putting...but someone calling me "clownshoe" is not off-putting?