What are some things you would be okay with SE dumbing down?

[Mikey_R]

(you hit the positional on execution of the ability, not on button press)

No, they are done on button press. When the damage pop up comes out doesn't matter, what matters is when the damage is calculated, and that is when the weaponskill goes on cooldown. It is also very easy to check, which, despite knowing when the calc is done, I tested anyway.

Level 90 Monk, only equipment is the Majestic Manderville weapons, this is just to lower crit and DH to prevent them from procing. Action used, Demolish, long animation where the damage comes out late, with Disciplined Fist up, damage is ~410 on the flank and ~770 on the rear. Start the cooldown at the rear but move to flank way before the damage popup comes, damage is ~770.

[Eisi]

No, they are done on button press. When the damage pop up comes out doesn't matter, what matters is when the damage is calculated, and that is when the weaponskill goes on cooldown.

aka NOT on button press. You press the button many milliseconds before the weaponskill goes on cooldown. The button press queues up your weaponskill, but NOT whether it's currently hitting the positional, it only checks for the positional once the weaponskill is executed. The damage pop up comes even later, but I wasn't talking about that.

[Eisi]

Here's a graphic that explains it:

[Payadopa]

Here's a graphic that explains it:

Translation: because I have a bad ping nobody else is allowed to have fun.

And so what? You missed a positional. Big whoop. Stop asking for stuff to be removed so your parse gets bigger.

[Eisi]

Translation: because I have a bad ping nobody else is allowed to have fun.

21 milliseconds, mate. You queue way earlier than that.

If I have this issue, everyone does. You might not care, but believe me, it's only because the game doesn't give you feedback.

[Mikey_R]

aka NOT on button press. You press the button many milliseconds before the weaponskill goes on cooldown. The button press queues up your weaponskill, but NOT whether it's currently hitting the positional, it only checks for the positional once the weaponskill is executed. The damage pop up comes even later, but I wasn't talking about that.

Sorry, misunderstood what you meant, however people have in the past suggested it was based on the text and not on the GCD.

However, that is where pre-planning and foresight come into it. Contrary to popular belief, not everything a boss does is random, so you can pre-plan positionals for the most part. For the cases where you cannot, that is where you plan True North.

Also, if you want to remove positionals from melee, I would advocate for the removal of cast times from casters as they serve the same purpose as positionals, just done differently.

[Eisi]

However, that is where pre-planning and foresight come into it. Contrary to popular belief, not everything a boss does is random, so you can pre-plan positionals for the most part. For the cases where you cannot, that is where you plan True North.

You can't preplan a Tank's movement, which is why I said that positionals are a tank mechanic. However with a good tank they are still incredibly clunky - aka you have to button press/position considering where you think the enemy will be rather than where they are. Additionally, should the boss movement fall into the exact window where you use a positional skill, it comes down to infinitesimally small units of time whether you still hit the positional or not, regardless of prepositioning.

But I believe you that you love positionals, it would be foolish to tell others what they like or not. I don't understand the appeal of positionals, I don't enjoy executing them and as I said they never feel good, making the few instances where they feel bad just stand out as their ONLY identity for me, I wouldn't miss them and their absence would just straight up improve the game for me. But if you like them, I'm glad you have them.

I wish we could get feedback on them though.

[Raikai]

Positionals serve no purpose. Fight me.

I like positionals, but not in XIV with its netcode. It feels so janky... during heavy movement I'd bet half of the positionals I think I got didn't register because of it. I guess it doesn't matter since I don't play Ultimates or go for 1st week Savage clears, but it's surely annoying knowing that something other than your own skill holds you back.

I saw other responses about less buttons, but that's not necessarily dumbing down. You can have a ton of complexity with less keys (i.e. PVP), it just requires the right tinkering. However, the battle system leashed to the 2 minute meta doesn't help this at all though.

[Mikey_R]

But I believe you that you love positionals, it would be foolish to tell others what they like or not.

The problem is when people try and take the 'I don't like it, therefore remove it, it doesn't matter that people like them' mentality and run with it, as opposed to meeting somewhere in the middle. I think the vast majority of people who do like positionals would have no problems if there was a spectrum in the melees on how many positionals they have, with maybe the new melee having no positionals, Monk getting them back and being top with the rest somewhere in the middle. I hink this is a fair compromise for everyone.

I saw other responses about less buttons, but that's not necessarily dumbing down. You can have a ton of complexity with less keys (i.e. PVP), it just requires the right tinkering. However, the battle system leashed to the 2 minute meta doesn't help this at all though.

You have o be careful when comparing PvE and PvP. If you actually look at the PvP kits, they are very bare bones and not complex at all. Just because something happens to have a lot of effects, it doesn't mean it is complex. The only reason PvP kits feel good to use is that they have CC, anti CC, defensives, more movement based things etc, plenty of which that wouldn't work in a PvE environment. Could you imagine using Miracle of Nature, stuns, Silent Nocturne etc. just shutting down bosses and making them complete cakewalks? It is the volatility of the PvP environ that makes them good, not the actual kits themselves.

[Toukichiful]

This is a very good point, with the fact they now also removed combos being reset if you fuck them up.