A summary of healer issues

[Shurrikhan]

I...don't think we have the same definition of the word griefing.

Sabotaging, often with the purpose of demeaning or infuriating others. If the tank is purposely preventing others uptime by playing keep-away with the mobs over the whole course of the gather... that description doesn't sound far off.

Yes, losing those 10-20 seconds of Melee/Ranger/SGE/SCH/AST damage on the initial pack by keeping out of their reach over the gather only gets the final pack into place at most a second or two earlier, but there's no one in place to make use of that so only the tank's damage on the final pack is starting any sooner, and less resource has been generated in advance for that full gather. All in all, it's just an annoyance and a way to slow down one's party. Much like pulling a raid boss with Plunge, it's not generally a good idea.

And this kind of comment, btw, is the min-maxy BS that ruins games. "You're losing 70 potency once every AOE pack that might be HALF a GCD slower killing the pack! That's griefing/bad gameplay!!" Really? I...don't think it is.

Are you the tank in that example? I wasn't aware any tank had access to Biolysis and Art of War.

I only pointed out the math behind why adding Bane or the ability to Deploy one's DoTs would not simplify gameplay in the context you claimed it would. The only 'griefing' I pointed out would be tank behaviors that would prevent you from using Art of War.

That's LITERALLY the same thing I said.

The difference is in the context. When you're claiming that Bane would be bad because it could only ever reduce the amount of cast-variety in AoE, that's not a one-time off-the-cuff example within a larger story about how little healing is required; it would have to be the norm/sole possibility among AoE pulls.

[Renathras]

Sabotaging, often with the purpose of demeaning or infuriating others.

....

Wow.

There just aren't other words.

Apparently, "Tanks gathering mobs" is now "sabotaging, often with the purpose of demeaning or infuriating others" and "preventing others uptime by playing keep-away". /facepalm

No one is losing 10-20 seconds of damage, and even if they were, [u]10 seconds[/i] is demeaning and infuriating? Good god...

Are you the tank in that example? I wasn't aware any tank had access to Biolysis and Art of War.

What? o.O

The difference is in the context.

NO!

Stop it and just apologize. I'm tired of this nonsense. YOUR EXACT WORDS ABOVE were not "they didn't same the same thing 'in context'".

Ren: Why call me out for a thing the poster above said they do?
Shurri: They didn't. They just said they were ready to Bio-Deploy, only to be reminded that they can't do that in PvE. Such =/= "I Bio spammed when I could and should have been using Art of War II.

THEY DID. They 100% SAID THE SAME THING. The only difference in context was that they WANTED to Deploy them but couldn't, so they DID THE EXACT SAME THING I DO AND SAID THEY DID THE EXACT SAME THING I DO AND SAID IT FIRST. I only said LATER that I did the same thing they did.

There's no "context" that changes the FACT that they said the same thing.

No "context" changes you lied when you said they didn't say it. There's no context that makes what THEY SAID THEY DID any different than what I said I do because it's literally the same thing. You weren't getting onto me for not wanting to spread Bio, you were getting onto me for applying it to each target instead of Arting them all, while giving a pass to someone else, before me, saying they did the same thing.

The CONTEXT doesn't change that.

I didn't "claim Bane would be bad", either. QUOTE ME saying Bane would be "bad". FIND THE QUOTE, damnit. Or apologize, because we both know there isn't one and I didn't say it. I caught you in a mistake and instead of just admitting to it, you're trying to avoid it and turn it around on me, including by making up something I didn't say.

There is no "context" argument here, and it's absurd to try that goalpost shift now.

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Sorry if I'm coming off a little heated, I'm just sick and tired of this thing where people do something, I point out it's incorrect, then instead of a mere and simple "Oh, my bad", which isn't even a loss of face, people try to twist it and move goalposts to not only say they're somehow right anyway, but also attack me in the process by making up words to stick in my mouth that I never said.

I never said Bane "would be bad". I said I don't see how it's an improvement in general, and it doesn't change anything in single-target. I think stuff like that is overrated. Bad, on the other hand, is negative or actively detrimental.