PL Woes

[Suneater]

Ideally in my opinion it should be moderately time-consuming to level up (1-50 should take 2-3 weeks). They should change the class quests around a bit to be like a limit break system, perhaps as tutorials on how to play that class. As they are now with guild points abolished, they only serve to give free exp. SE did a great job implementing and making the job quests meaningful but they need to do something with the class quests now.

[Lux_Rayna]

Nope.

He was new. In fact this was his first week playing.

Full AF level 50 Mog access first weeker.

PLing is getting out of hand and while this may be an extreme case it goes to show the root of the problem. People can level fast too fast and in the process rob themselves of the experience they need to play the game. These are the noobs I guess, they don't know any better. What is truly frightening are the people who have 1-2 50's and PL everything else because they've "earned" it. Or they "learn the job at 40" when you can reach 50 within a day or so in the correct camps.

I can tell you exactly what you did wrong, or rather, what you failed to do. As a pt leader it is your *job* to make sure everyone knows what they are doing before you even leave. As an example, I will use my 1st Ifrit run. I was PLed as well, but lets face it a DD isn't exactly complicated, plus i partied from 40-50 enough to know how to make my skills work.

PT leader: Anyone new to Ifrit?

Everyone else: ......

Me: I am

*pt leader explains where to stand, who to follow, what to look out for, etc etc.*

You should at least ask beforehand if anyone needs clarification on the fight, and what needs to be done in it. That is why you're a pt leader. Success is more or less your responsibility, you build the team, you make sure everyone knows their role, and then you set out. You can't heal stupidity, nor predict stupidity, but you *can* at least try to cover your bases before fighting. Now of course if an idiot doesn't speak up, nothing you can do.

Don't assume because someone is lvl 50 that they know what they are doing. Its quite easy to lvl 1-50 on any job and not use the majority of your skills. That WHM could have partied the whole time and never used Esuna, its entirely possible. PLing isn't the problem, the problem is that lvling does not require difficult and strategic group content. Grinding doesn't make you a good player. Your logic is just incorrect.

The issue at hand, to repeat myself, is that grinding does not require skill. It doesn't matter how ppl choose to lvl, they will not develop skill by mindlessly lvling. Skill is only developed through focused practice. Grinding = mindless. PLing = mindless. The method is irrelevant. Next time ask if anyone is new and go over the general strategy before leaving.

[Krausus]

I can tell you exactly what you did wrong, or rather, what you failed to do. As a pt leader it is your *job* to make sure everyone knows what they are doing before you even leave. As an example, I will use my 1st Ifrit run. I was PLed as well, but lets face it a DD isn't exactly complicated, plus i partied from 40-50 enough to know how to make my skills work.

PT leader: Anyone new to Ifrit?

Everyone else: ......

Me: I am

*pt leader explains where to stand, who to follow, what to look out for, etc etc.*

You should at least ask beforehand if anyone needs clarification on the fight, and what needs to be done in it. That is why you're a pt leader. Success is more or less your responsibility, you build the team, you make sure everyone knows their role, and then you set out. You can't heal stupidity, nor predict stupidity, but you *can* at least try to cover your bases before fighting. Now of course if an idiot doesn't speak up, nothing you can do.

Don't assume because someone is lvl 50 that they know what they are doing. Its quite easy to lvl 1-50 on any job and not use the majority of your skills. That WHM could have partied the whole time and never used Esuna, its entirely possible. PLing isn't the problem, the problem is that lvling does not require difficult and strategic group content. Grinding doesn't make you a good player. Your logic is just incorrect.

The issue at hand, to repeat myself, is that grinding does not require skill. It doesn't matter how ppl choose to lvl, they will not develop skill by mindlessly lvling. Skill is only developed through focused practice. Grinding = mindless. PLing = mindless. The method is irrelevant. Next time ask if anyone is new and go over the general strategy before leaving.

great post

[NoctisUmbra]

I can tell you exactly what you did wrong, or rather, what you failed to do. As a pt leader it is your *job* to make sure everyone knows what they are doing before you even leave. As an example, I will use my 1st Ifrit run. I was PLed as well, but lets face it a DD isn't exactly complicated, plus i partied from 40-50 enough to know how to make my skills work.

PT leader: Anyone new to Ifrit?

Everyone else: ......

Me: I am

*pt leader explains where to stand, who to follow, what to look out for, etc etc.*

You should at least ask beforehand if anyone needs clarification on the fight, and what needs to be done in it. That is why you're a pt leader. Success is more or less your responsibility, you build the team, you make sure everyone knows their role, and then you set out. You can't heal stupidity, nor predict stupidity, but you *can* at least try to cover your bases before fighting. Now of course if an idiot doesn't speak up, nothing you can do.

Don't assume because someone is lvl 50 that they know what they are doing. Its quite easy to lvl 1-50 on any job and not use the majority of your skills. That WHM could have partied the whole time and never used Esuna, its entirely possible. PLing isn't the problem, the problem is that lvling does not require difficult and strategic group content. Grinding doesn't make you a good player. Your logic is just incorrect.

The issue at hand, to repeat myself, is that grinding does not require skill. It doesn't matter how ppl choose to lvl, they will not develop skill by mindlessly lvling. Skill is only developed through focused practice. Grinding = mindless. PLing = mindless. The method is irrelevant. Next time ask if anyone is new and go over the general strategy before leaving.

The sheer amounts of truth and sense in this post are staggering.

+1

[Xoo]

I can tell you exactly what you did wrong, or rather, what you failed to do. As a pt leader it is your *job* to make sure everyone knows what they are doing before you even leave. As an example, I will use my 1st Ifrit run. I was PLed as well, but lets face it a DD isn't exactly complicated, plus i partied from 40-50 enough to know how to make my skills work.

Truth in this, but to this as well...

OP said the guy didn't know what Esuna was or the effect it had on the target. Even if he had explained it, he wouldn't have appreciated the necessity in it. This is the problem with the battle system as it is now. In XI, a WHM knew exactly what Erase did the first time their tank got hit with a debuff.

[Krausus]

Truth in this, but to this as well...

OP said the guy didn't know what Esuna was or the effect it had on the target. Even if he had explained it, he wouldn't have appreciated the necessity in it. This is the problem with the battle system as it is now. In XI, a WHM knew exactly what Erase did the first time their tank got hit with a debuff.

Don't forget Esuna is a job ability not like he would of had the ability forever, this whole issue and thread could have been avoid had the party leader did his job and actually lead the party.

[Xoo]

Don't forget Esuna is a job ability not like he would of had the ability forever, this whole issue and thread could have been avoid had the party leader did his job and actually lead the party.

I'm not saying the OP isn't without blame. What I am saying is the person in question is just as much to blame. Who is actually at fault is the developers behind this battle system.

[Xianghua]

Truth in this, but to this as well...

OP said the guy didn't know what Esuna was or the effect it had on the target. Even if he had explained it, he wouldn't have appreciated the necessity in it. This is the problem with the battle system as it is now. In XI, a WHM knew exactly what Erase did the first time their tank got hit with a debuff.

No WHM knew what erase did after reading the description. There isn't a light that pops up in a exp pt only that tells you to use it. you learn it by reading the description. That doesn't require an exp pt.

Some of you just crack me up.

"Hey guys I just got this spell called Cure."
"cool whats it do?"
"Idk the description says "it cure's a target" but I won't know til I get an exp pt to try it out."

Some players are just horrible and you can't do anything about it.
You can never help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.

[Krausus]

I'm not saying the OP isn't without blame. What I am saying is the person in question is just as much to blame. Who is actually at fault is the developers behind this battle system.

you kidding me? it was a pug group hell even my LS group explains fights before the fights and one thing the leader would always say is if the tank gets petrified WHM make sure to esuna them. No use trying to argue with you though your always quick to jump on the anti-PL bandwagon regardless of the situation.

[Xoo]

No WHM knew what erase did after reading the description. There isn't a light that pops up in a exp pt only that tells you to use it. you learn it by reading the description. That doesn't require an exp pt.

Some of you just crack me up.

"Hey guys I just got this spell called Cure."
"cool whats it do?"
"Idk the description says "it cure's a target" but I won't know til I get an exp pt to try it out."

Some players are just horrible and you can't do anything about it.
You can never help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.

...and if you'd never had to use it before that very moment? Would you have even remembered? Especially if you were powerleveled up to Lv40+? Sorry, I'll keep knocking the negative repercussions of a broken battle system, the proliferation and abuse of PL because I do believe they bear a significant impact on the general quality of players.