Why telling people to unsub is a horrible defense of the game.

[Jojoya]

I am reminded of this post because I was thinking of replayability and saw this reply.

Sorry, I refuse to buy into the dominant narrative among raiders today that memorizing a strict dance script by repeating it over a thousand times, straight down to each GCD and weave window, would be enjoyable to the vast majority of the gaming audience. Literally no other game is designed this way other than rhythm games, and rhythm games are niche at best.

There is no single content design that is enjoyable to the vast majority of the gaming audience. You're talking about billions of players world wide.

The design does appeal to some, though. It only takes a hundred thousand players to make a MMO profitable (assuming the developer isn't spending wastefully). As long as this game finds that 0.005% of the gaming audience that like "the dance" for raid design (or that audience finds this game), FFXIV will continue to be successful.

Players need to learn that it's up to them to find the games that have the content design they want to play and then support those games. Developers aren't going to waste their time struggling to meet the varied expectations of players who want a different game than the developers are trying to make.

Giving money to a game that isn't delivering what you want sends the wrong message to the gaming industry about the type of content you're looking to play.

[Jeeqbit]

It's frankly quite sad that a lot of raiders don't even prize understanding the mechanic. People just memorize a toolbox and not understand why it works.

Definitely agree with this. People do x, y or z thing "because YouTuber said so" and don't always find out why that is, because it was the day 1 blind proggers that worked all that out. At the very least I like for a guide to explain why we are doing something, otherwise it is not making us truly understand the mechanic.

That and having a script generally means you can sometimes just do "x action, at 2:20 in the timeline". RNG, on the other hand, is going to force you to understand how to identify when the mechanic is happening and not just be reacting based on the timeline and muscle memory.

If these mechanics were sufficiently random that forces you to resolve the mechanic by actually solving the puzzle in your head rather than memorizing what spot you should go to if you get X, that would be a good start.

Sometimes I think this too. For fun I solve the mechanic in my head but it becomes clear after a while there are only a fixed number of combinations and the disappointment sets in...

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Telling people to unsub was what made Blizzard make drastic changes for Dragonflight when they bled players. If players didn't abandon the game after BFA and SL, then DF would have been a far different and worse experience.

So, unsubbing is the best thing to do if you want change.

[Ranaku]

Telling people to unsub was what made Blizzard make drastic changes for Dragonflight when they bled players. If players didn't abandon the game after BFA and SL, then DF would have been a far different and worse experience.

So, unsubbing is the best thing to do if you want change.

This would require tho the will to actually draw consequences and follow through. Something most of the forum trolls can't do cause they are addicted to hating the game or trolling. <shrugs>

And i kinda don't see a Blizzard like scandal in the near future that could warrant the same kind of player protests in XIV. So if you unsub out of protest you can wait a long long time for changes cause most people they just won't.

[Ath192]

Telling people to unsub was what made Blizzard make drastic changes for Dragonflight when they bled players. If players didn't abandon the game after BFA and SL, then DF would have been a far different and worse experience.

So, unsubbing is the best thing to do if you want change.

I mean you are right, abandoning the game would be the most effective solution, just wish it didn't have to come to that. There used to be a time when feedback was more proactive and went both ways in this game, if not look up Yoshi Ps posts in this very forum.

So communication has definitely gone down hill.

I don't necessarily think people on these forums with negative outlooks are trolls. It's actually that they're the ones that love the game the most to be active in this place. (both positive and negative folk) so they'll also be the last ones to leave. If this place goes silent that means everyones gone.

[caffe_macchiato]

Has anyone seen this? Lucky Bancho is showing that the "unsub and play other games" faction is winning hardcore. This graph shows the number of people who have gotten a single new achievement in the past month. In other words, active players. Notice how Endwalker compares with the other expansions.



Is this really a good thing, and are we still supposed to like it?

https://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/archives/57775035.html

[ZephyrMenodora]

Has anyone seen this? Lucky Bancho is showing that the "unsub and play other games" faction is winning hardcore. This graph shows the number of people who have gotten a single new achievement in the past month. In other words, active players. Notice how Endwalker compares with the other expansions.



Is this really a good thing, and are we still supposed to like it?

Can you explain what the blue, red, and green lines mean?

[aveyond-dreams]

Respectfully, if you like something you should be willing to at least entertain criticism of the things you enjoy especially when you wouldn't be at a disadvantage if content were built to last like it used to and that the story took itself seriously. I understand you are a newer player and have not experienced the recent MSQ and endgame battle content, but I promise you deserve better than what Endwalker gave us.

I will roughly guess and say you may be somewhere around Heavensward or Stormblood to give an example - when the game was very much concerned with telling a story with a lot of care and passion behind it. This isn't the case when it came to the FFIV crossover trial series that took the place of the MSQ. The tone is completely off and drags - while battle content does anything but that and unironically feels easier to clear than some dungeon fights in earlier expansions.

Endwalker also just doesn't have a relic. You don't see people using or talking about pursuing the Hildibrand weapons because they are just given to you for tomes. Except we also literally already have tome weapons so there was no point at all to them. Even if exploratory zones aren't everyone's cup of tea, they at least demanded effort in exchange for the relic.

I'm not sure if you are a casual player or not but believe me if your time was limited during Endwalker, there's basically nothing to do unless you want to try Savage. Past expansions gave those players a Deep Dungeon with decent rewards and weapons - not ugly allagan monstrosities - exploratory zones of two distinct enough flavours, and good story throughout.

We do not complain because we hate the game. We complain because what we loved strongly got turned into something unrecognizable.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Respectfully, if you like something you should be willing to at least entertain criticism of the things you enjoy especially when you wouldn't be at a disadvantage if content were built to last like it used to and that the story took itself seriously. I understand you are a newer player and have not experienced the recent MSQ and endgame battle content, but I promise you deserve better than what Endwalker gave us.

It's not a new player, it's an alt account lol

[ChonkGoblinSuprem]

Gatekeeping so hard they can’t even cope with the fact that I’m a real person….