Square Enix Loses Nearly $2 Billion in Value Since Final Fantasy 16

[RitsukoSonoda]

I'm not a fan of FFXVI at all, but I have to laugh at the idea that it's the cause of these financial woes of SE.



so we have
- forspoken
- marvel avengers
- x amount of mobile game flops

Let's not put this on FFXVI, it's just SE being SE. FFXVI simply wasn't a seller enough to make up for their other failures.

You forgot Babylon's Fall... >.>

There's also a few things that could have been huge but were unfortunately mishandled like Chocobo GP, IMO Marvel Avengers would fall into that category as well. That new game FoamStars has potential but we'll have to see what they actually do with it gameplay wise.

As for the reason FF16 is getting so much blame, it's the same situation as with Hollywood movies. There's been a fair number in recent years that were popular and sold movie tickets but were considered a failure due to the huge cost of making it in the first place. Selling millions of units isn't as impressive when you realize they had to sell X million units just to break even financially.

[Theodric]

That new game FoamStars has potential but we'll have to see what they actually do with it gameplay wise.

I was willing to give it a chance up until it was revealed that the big, beefy blond guy shown in the reveal trailer was not actually a playable character. So it's a hard pass from me.

FFVIIR's second portion is shaping up to be pretty intriguing, though so I imagine that'll do fairly well for itself.

[Aldath]

I was willing to give it a chance up until it was revealed that the big, beefy blond guy shown in the reveal trailer was not actually a playable character. So it's a hard pass from me.

FFVIIR's second portion is shaping up to be pretty intriguing, though so I imagine that'll do fairly well for itself.

After googling what Foamstars is, I can say with all confidence that if it fails is will still be remembered by the same reason Overwatch is, and it has nothing to do with gameplay.

About Rebirth, if the game ends up surpassing how good the first part was, it might as well help SE look better with investors. I have 0 trust in Nomura to write a coherent plot at this point, but the gameplay might be enough to hard carry it.

[Vahlnir]

After googling what Foamstars is, I can say with all confidence that if it fails is will still be remembered by the same reason Overwatch is, and it has nothing to do with gameplay.

About Rebirth, if the game ends up surpassing how good the first part was, it might as well help SE look better with investors. I have 0 trust in Nomura to write a coherent plot at this point, but the gameplay might be enough to hard carry it.

My main concern is how Nomura will end this next installment, since it's such a pivotal event in the game itself, and one of the most iconic moments in FF history (in my opinion). I just hope he doesn't ruin any of that. I want to be emotionally wrecked by this. If he totally ruins all of that, I will not be buying the 3rd installment.

[RitsukoSonoda]

After googling what Foamstars is, I can say with all confidence that if it fails is will still be remembered by the same reason Overwatch is, and it has nothing to do with gameplay.

About Rebirth, if the game ends up surpassing how good the first part was, it might as well help SE look better with investors. I have 0 trust in Nomura to write a coherent plot at this point, but the gameplay might be enough to hard carry it.

The upcoming title I want more info on atm is Dragon Quest 12. During a Dragon Quest live stream event awhile back they announced it was in development and gave us a preliminary title screen then went silent about it.

[Boblawblah]

My main concern is how Nomura will end this next installment, since it's such a pivotal event in the game itself, and one of the most iconic moments in FF history (in my opinion). I just hope he doesn't ruin any of that. I want to be emotionally wrecked by this. If he totally ruins all of that, I will not be buying the 3rd installment.

When a huge part of the story seems to be purposely trolling OG players, yea, you can count on Nomura ruining it.

[Aldath]

When a huge part of the story seems to be purposely trolling OG players, yea, you can count on Nomura ruining it.

As I said before, investors don't like SE's aproach, letting producers get a hands on approach and also take creative director roles. If something good comes out of this, it could be the end of Nomura's reign of terror, at least as far as his influence over anything not KH is.

The guy seriously has a fetish or something, everything must somehow include Shibuya (or a clone of said city), robed individuals, destiny, time travel, belts and fashion.

[Nebelheim]

As I said before, investors don't like SE's aproach, letting producers get a hands on approach and also take creative director roles. If something good comes out of this, it could be the end of Nomura's reign of terror, at least as far as his influence over anything not KH is.

The guy seriously has a fetish or something, everything must somehow include Shibuya (or a clone of said city), robed individuals, destiny, time travel, belts and fashion.

Even ff7 remake was somewhat ruined with the whole death eater looking things that looked like it was ripped out of kingdom hearts and the whole multiple timeline crap. All the final fantasy games he is involved in seems to take kingdom hearts elements or characters wear clothes covered in belts or some weird time travel stuff. He even wanted to make ff15 into a musical at one point and scrapped everything they did mid development for his musical idea and scrapped development multiple other times. After almost 10 years of no progress on ff15 square had enough and told him to work on kingdom hearts 3 full time while someone else take on his progress and had to completely redo everything he did.

[Ranaku]

If SE would just focus on what they are good at instead of doing some weird excursions into marvel and even their obsession with making action combat games.

They want to go with the time but i often have the feeling gamers want exactly the opposite. Something that has soul and doesn't just look pretty. One of the reasons why the indie game market has grown so big.

[Hasrat]

My main concern is how Nomura will end this next installment, since it's such a pivotal event in the game itself, and one of the most iconic moments in FF history (in my opinion). I just hope he doesn't ruin any of that. I want to be emotionally wrecked by this. If he totally ruins all of that, I will not be buying the 3rd installment.

Personally, wouldn't count on it. Having learned the games are only meant to be a trilogy, and are continuing to explore this "alternate timeline" bs, there's simply no possible way to really hit the same story beats in a satisfying manner. There's gotta be a ton of stuff cut out to make everything fit, and at this point the best thing you can do for yourself is set aside preconceptions and go in with the idea that "this is a story about the characters knowing about how the story should go and trying to avoid it."